Next Tory Leader.

Oh come on mycat they were thanking him for message of support to the participants in the mass rally at the weekend. Quite right too - the situation of the Palestinians is heartbreaking and we should all care.

varian

Come on the right have no more liars than the left.

They are politicians for goodness sake.

It’s neither sensible or intelligent to patronise people who disagree with you and say they have been brainwashed presumably by the ‘right wing press’ blah blah

I am horrified that anyone could think a terrorist supporter,and not back in the day, but today supporting a terrorist regime today is fit to be PM.

I think it’s really you who are brainwashed and ignoring the facts.

Have you no regard for the inhabitants of Gaza or the Jews in this country terrified at the prospect of a Corbyn government.

Thank you for you kind comment Iloovecheese

Boris Johnson seems to be the favourite of the Tory faithful. He has been proven to be a habitual liar, just like Farage.

What is it about the so-called upright citizens on the right of British politics that makes them want to be led by a liar?

GracesGranMK3 A very sensible and intelligent post.

I have generally voted labour but no way for this lot.

GracesGran

Yesterday the proscribed terrorist group Hammas, proscribed by the UN and by Britain, a group that has Ruled Gaza without any elections and assassinate any dissenting voices. Horrific henan rights abuses.

This group yesterday publicly thanked Corbyn for his support.

Really really???? Stuff the manifesto I wouldnt t trust him an inch and frankly Abbott as home sec???? Really!

The Tory lot are awful and the potential labour lot are horrendous

Wake up

"I mean labout had been hyjacked by the far left so the Tories will inevitable go to the far right." (Fri 17-May-19 08:05:24)

I am quite horrified by the success of the brainwashing that has been carried out by the Tory right Mycat. The current Labour Party manifesto and all the ideas being put forward by them at the moment are less "far-left" than the Social Democratic post-war Labour government and the following Tory governments. This was the time when the Tories told us we had "never had it so good". This was true in the way that ordinary people had never felt such a sense of agency; the sense of having greater control over their own destiny.

Since Thatcher, this has been gradually disappearing. One of Thatcher's first acts was to remove exchange controls which immediately changed the power between labour and capital. Subsequent deregulation, such as the "Big Bang" bonfire of regulation, and all that has followed in its wake, has created a government that cannot govern and wealth that cannot be held to account, even when it crashes the economy.

The sense of a loss of the post-war agency is a true one but it has not been caused by Labour, the EU or anything other than the Tory governments since Thatcher. Agency now equals wealth and if you don't have it, and preferably lots of it, what you do have will be taken away by a far-right, neo-liberal government run for the benefit of the wealthy, by Johnson, Gove, et al.

This swing to the right means that governments, of left, right or in the middle, have been deprived of democratic oversight of wealth, as we saw in the recent crash and on many occasions since. It means that wealth does not have to answer to democracy and needs no sense of accountability, as that is no longer required by our government.

Far from any imaginary "far-left" being the issue, our challenge is how not to destroy wider wealth-making, but to bring it to heel so that the feeling that many of us grew up with - a sense that if we worked and followed the rules we could have a better life, is returned to us. This went with the continued deregulation that means we are governed now, not by elected MPs but by wealth and those who manipulate it.

Very true mycat the members are always more extreme in views than the electorate.

Yes but the labour membership are very much more left wing than the electorate.

Works both ways.

varian

I think though as we have always seen local elections are very different to general elections.

No different to the hard left leader of the Labour Party

I worry very much that a hard right candidate will get the leadership. The Tory membership are very much more right wing than the country at large, and that is the choice they will make if they get the chance

Heaven help Wales

but heaven help us for the rest.

Why?

The Tories are not finished any more than the Labour Party is and smaller parties will certainly gain MPs which will result in a permanently hung parliament. Not an enticing prospect.

A GE may well result in Corbyn as PM in coalition with the SNP and a customs union for sure. Which will solve the Brexit issue but heaven help us for the rest.

In the recent local elections both parties of the right and left lost badly to the LibDems, so many people reject extremes.

Yes I agree Firecracker

I think they are finished if they don’t elect a leaver.

Will be interesting if terrifying

TM has become deluded just like Thatcher did. She should have thrown the towel in a month ago. Saying she will go if the next vote fails guarantees that it will fail, for goodness sake have some sense of reality.

Who will take the next Poisoned Chalice at least TM genuinely believed in getting an acceptable deal. The next victim knows there isn’t one, one thing for sure Tory MPs are not going to choose buffoon Boris. Who do they dislike most, Javid, Gove, Hunt, Rudd, Leadsome.

Nothing has changed the EU are rock solid, Parliament is in disarray the only conclusive voted is against “no deal”.
I predict a second referendum now and I think the result will regrettably be the same............

But do you agree? Seems to me the country is far left and far right.

Far left v Far right Doom and Gloom

If the next Tory PM is not a committed leaver they are finished for good as a leading party.

Yes I remember that expression as a 20 something year old and thought how mysogynistic it was putting older women down.

I think Boris will do it to be fair now changed my mind.

I think the other candidates are less popular with the electorate. I mean labout had been hyjacked by the far left so the Tories will inevitable go to the far right.

There really is no centre party or appetite for one now. I think think change U.K. will disappear because I think the country seems pretty divided into the far left and far right.

Dear heaven! After the mess of potage the Tories have served up over Brexit surely they won't give us Boris for PM!