The Brexit Party

I’m sorry , but the person who told me they voted Brexit because there are too many Africans in the country definitely is a thick racist. Pretending no one comes into this category is delusional.

Sadly, I think that's true, Nonnie.

Successive UK governments have given many people a lot to moan about and this has been ruthlessly exploited by liar Farage and his cheerleaders in the Daily Mail, Sun, Daily Express, Telegraph and the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation. Farage is good at making people angry and misdirecting their anger towards the EU for his own ends.

This has been going on for years and is now reaching a crescendo of anger which is bringing out the worst in many decent people who may not realise that they've been drip fed poison on a daily basis by the media.

varian I think that is because Brits prefer to moan than to celebrate the good.

Kandinsky we are not on Mumsnet! I could quote you all the insults and name calling of remainers on Twitter but it would not be relevant to GN.

GG "More spiteful, personal remarks from those who can't manage to discuss the actual political points then Lemongrove. It's never gone away." I think it was you who actually was prepared to discuss it with me. For that I am grateful but I have no respect for those who push for leaving but refuse to give the reasons why.

Kandinsky of course we won't change our minds unless you give us a reason to! Blindingly obvious I would have thought. Or perhaps it is because some leavers are so set in their minds they assume we all are too. I often thing that what people assume about others says more about the way their minds work that the person they are making assumptions about.

Fire of course we can't accept a vote based on criminality and lies, why would we? Why are you concerned about a confirmatory vote? That really would be democracy.

Maizie I read that NF wouldn't get out of his bus because 3 people were standing outside with 'milkshakes'. I have no idea if it was true or whether they had anything in them.

G54 as you have so frequently told us how superior you are I assume your family are the same so not really representing the man of the people more like the man of PayPal.

Well said Gabriella ??

There is too muc mud slinging on the political posts at times.

MEDIA LIES AND BREXIT

Ever since it joined the European Union in 1973 Britain has had the most eurosceptic press in the Brussels-based club. Its two top-selling papers, The Sun and the Daily Mail, are rabidly anti-EU, reporting on its affairs with a mixture of hostility, mockery and contempt.

When former European Commission President Jacques Delors had the temerity to propose a single currency in 1990, The Sun screamed “Up Yours Delors” on its front page accompanied by a two-fingered salute to the “French fool”. In 2003 the Daily Mail described a draft EU constitution as a “blueprint for tyranny”. And in 2011 the same paper warned that Germany was turning Europe into a “Fourth Reich”.

The Daily Telegraph, the fourth best-selling paper in the UK, feeds its readers a daily diet of negative news about the European Union, while the sixth biggest – the Daily Express – has led a “crusade” against British membership. Typical headlines include “EU brainwash our children”, “Now EU Wants to Ban our Kettles” and “Get Britain out of the EU”.

Due to strict impartiality guidelines, British TV reporting is fairer. But even the BBC broadcasts more negatively than positively. An April 2016 report by Zurich-based analysts Media Tenor concluded that only 7% of BBC coverage of the EU was positive and 45% negative. It also found that the tone of coverage was more negative than that about Russian and Chinese strongmen Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping. Even Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad received more positive mentions than the EU.

ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/resources/publications/ethics-in-the-news/media-lies-and-brexit

It is hardly surprising that Farage and his appalling Brexit Party gain so much support from our corrupt media.

You can tell when people have no sensible argument when they read a post and attribute things to the poster which they did not say. You know who you are!

Thank you for indulging us with a little more of "The Life Of Gabriella" and the saintliness of your family. I am sure we will never tire of it. [yawn]

GabriellaG54 Thu 23-May-19 10:41:55
GabriellaG54 Thu 23-May-19 10:48:49

vot ig voting

Why do you continue to argue with leavers 3 years on?
Demanding they give you answers?
Not you personally, but remainers in general?
No leaver is ever going to say anything to change your mind about brexit so why do you bother?
Thu 23-May-19 07:59:40

Kandinsky I certainly don't "demand" that people give me answers. I am not sure what the point would be in that. Have you ever heard about people wanting to understand rather than needing to agree or disagree? Think about it. If we understand other people's reasoning we may be able to do better when it comes to explaining or meeting others needs.

I appreciate that not many leavers see any point in accepting that democracy applies to the whole country - they do not see the need to make it possible for losers to consent to the outcome of a referendum nor do they seem to feel the need for that referendum to have democratic legitimacy but they do hold other views that are very strong and I, personally, like to work out what those are. Some of it, I have to admit, comes over as sheer bloody mindedness but there is even something behind that and I am interested to find out what it is. I really don't set out to have my mind changed or confirmed but hope it is flexible enough to include the thinking of others. That includes those who know a lot about politics and economics and those who don't. It all helps me to expand my views.

I'm not bothered by anyone having suspicions re most of my family (bar 1 who isn't old enough to vote) voti g in the same way. I have zero influence over them, nor would I want any. I brought them up to be independent, hard working, moral individuals whose future lay in their own hands when they turned 16 and started work.
They have not let themselves down.

My family live nowhere near me more than 100 miles from each other and we certainly don't live in each other's pockets as do some families on here.
I'm not on Twitter Facebook Instagram or Snapchat etc and I've never asked them or talked about their religion or politics, however two of my GC and their husbands did have a WhatsApp chat with the others in the round and that conversation was relayed to me in an ordinary catch-up conversation.
I have no axe to grind with remainers or indeed with anyone, as everyone has their own ideals and views as I have mine. We are all sisters under the skin, somme-nous-pas?

True maize

If as is suspected the Brexit Party do well, what then?

Start stockpiling...

Get in a good supply of milkshakes to keep the marauding BP supporters at bay when they discover that far from being led into into the land of cakes and honey they've been given bread and water...

Here

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Put fingers in ears and sing Rule Britannia.

If as is suspected the Brexit Party do well, what then?

I find the bleating about democracy from leaver mp's and gn members a bit ironic. Members of the ERG group are trying to change their own party rules to get rid of their democratically elected leader and replace her with one who will do what they want. Also, just a quick reminder that 17.4m out of 66m is not a massive vote for Brexit. I know this figure is old ground but the stark reality needs brought to the fore again sometimes.

Kandinsky because they can't accept the referendum vote and then they talk about democracy.

Maizie this is talking about what has been said on GN, not anywhere else.
Leavers on here have not called Remainers ‘treacherous scum’ etc.No point discussing what is said elsewhere as it has no bearing on GN.

GracesGranMK3

Why do you continue to argue with leavers 3 years on?
Demanding they give you answers?
Not you personally, but remainers in general?
No leaver is ever going to say anything to change your mind about brexit so why do you bother?

Don’t forget folks, every vote for a party other than Farage is a vote against hate, violence, lies and for democracy.

More spiteful, personal remarks from those who can't manage to discuss the actual political points then Lemongrove. It's never gone away.

I do go on mumsnet Kandinsky an see how both side talk about one another. I also visit a forum for older people where disagreeing with Brexit, St Nigel, etc is simply not allowed - very right wing. They are neither thick or stupid but the are in the "less educated" demographic that is bound to be true of older voters overall, which is what showed up in the voting statistics.

At least Remainers don't call Leavers 'treacherous scum', 'traitors' etc. Nor do they issue death and rape threats to prominent female Leavers (I think it would have been all over the RW media if they had)...