The Brexit Party

First time I heard NF say he would fight seats in a GE he said 250! Subsequently he has got the number right. However, we all make mistakes.

As he has failed to get himself elected as an MP 7 times I find it hard to believe he will get many MPs, let alone a majority. Where would he get 650 from? If he did they would be very inexperienced, although maybe inexperience in parliament might just be refreshing?

It wasn’t the EU to blame for dodgy employment practices in the UK, our blessed government couldn’t be arsed to insist on EU treaty obligations, which countries with ID cards manage to enforce. I don’t think Farage is going to create the land of milk and honey for anyone.

Urmston I would question why you blame the Poles? If that happened (I will believe you even though you haven't shown any evidence) it was the fault of the employers who, presumably, were from the UK. I strongly suspect that what you suggest is probably widespread and would apply to anyone undercutting from wherever they came. You really cannot blame the EU for bad employers in the UK.

Whether or not it is right for MEPs to receive €4,300 a month or not it is a drop in the ocean compared to what we are losing already let alone what we will lose if we leave. Better to change it from within than having to abide by their rules to trade if we leave with no say on them.

One negative experience? Do me a favour.
I’m not that stupid (or gullible).

Right it’s hot here - I’m going over for a nice cold glass of beer in the bar in our gardens. Cool my fried brain for a bit!

Adios! ??

Well Elvive I don’t receive it yet and I’m only in Malaga part time. But good question.

Maybe I’m not the best one to ask. Then again, it’s an allowance isn’t it? Not a benefit. There’s a difference - the ex pats are pensioners who have paid into the system whilst they were working and living in the U.K.

And as some have pointed out on threads on here, they don’t all live on the sunny costas and their winters (? jura2) are cold!

It couldn’t possibly be that Leave voters aren’t keen on the EU because of all the money we give (but thank you Maggie for having the chutzpah to negotiate the refund), to have it dished back to us if our communities apply for some as ‘a worthy cause’?

The gravy train that politicians love? The salaries and very generous allowances of €4,300 a month (on top) that MEPs don’t even have to submit expense claims for - it’s just given as part of the package. All 751 of them.

The fact that the EU haven’t had their accounts audited now for over 12 years? Why is that I wonder?

Paying for the vanity project of sitting in Strasbourg and alternating in Brussels - what is THAT circus all about anyway - (flying first class, of course!), with a whole (but necessary because of the construct) army of interpreters to assist.

Oh no.
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Talking of people sending money home, do you think it's fair that ex pats ( immigrants) in Europe were paid winter fuel allowance.

But referring to a whole race of people based on one negative experience could look a bit like racism?

Just because I like the fairness of a level playing field does NOT make me racist, Jeez!

No I don’t think that Gill57 he’ll be too busy to do all that. Plus I don’t know how good he is personally at construction work ....
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However if he does well in an election with plenty of MP’s in parliament he/his party members can shape events I’m sure of that!

We can’t be any worse off than this shower!

Yes Elvive I know that, and there have been many interviews with employers stating that they cannot get local hires to stay the course, but that is a different story and as we all know, Farage never lets the truth get in the way of a good rally.

Many deny racism as the reason for voting for the Brexit party, and I am prepared to believe them, but just why else are they voting for them? I assume that GG54 ( and others) has a life so perfect and abundant that she does not need potholes filled or factories built or even employment opportunities, she keeps telling us so, but what about the people we keep seeing interviewed voxpop? People with very limited life opportunities who think that Farage will somehow be their saviour. It makes me angry, he is the acceptable face of some very dangerous people who will make life even more difficult for many, people and will not care a whit as they do so. Thankfully, many of the 17.4 m did not vote for him so we can be assured that he will be an also ran in any GE.

A lot of people dislike Farage. The story about the Poles could perhaps ,be balanced out by the ones who came here and worked so very hard in jobs some Brits didn't fancy.

Some people should be afraid, very afraid, for showing their racist prejudices in voting leave.

OH for heavens sake Urmstongran! The Brexit Party will not be able to gather up 650 candidates even if the worst happens and we have a GE, no chance. I am strongly anti Farage, I think he is a deeply dangerous, nasty individual who manages to smoothly convince people otherwise, as we have seen on GN. I do not hope the Tory party deliver Brexit on 31st October, I hope that whoever takes over, sees sense, and cancels Article 50. Do you honestly, in the deepest part of you, think that Nige will build a hospital, build a factory, fill the potholes, get your grandchild a place in a decent school? Really?

Honestly, some people just haven’t seen it - they’re life experiences haven’t encompassed the Poles (for one group) undercutting jobs in Manchester. Yes what they did (at the beginning) was illegal. Gangmasters turning up on site with a van load of workers at site premises - Central Manchester Hospital an example - rebuilding underway by Balfour Beatty. The vans got turned away - union site etc - so they used to drive around to smaller construction sites, see the foreman and all pile out.

No stamp, no insurance, no pension provision, or holiday pay to worry about. The smaller operators took them on. No questions asked = cheap labour = less job opportunity for our locals. Black market economy was thriving.

Well no more. There’s more accountability. Less benefits such as child allowance when the Poles who were legally working, sent their money ‘homes plus child benefit for their children living with mum in Poland. How daft were we as a government at the time to allow such practice?

Soft lot.
No wonder they came in droves.
And now the land of milk and honey isn’t so generous and attractive, they’re not staying.

Small wonder.
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And you know this Gill57 because ....

The BP will be ready to fight a general election, if needs be. Just watch and wait.

And if you’re anti NF just hope the Tory party deliver Brexit then on 31 October!

Agreed Beammeup. All Farage has done is state the 'bleeding obvious'. Some people have been treated very badly by the system, with poor education, poor housing, lack of employment opportunities etc etc. Farage will do NOTHING to sort this out for people, he will not make lives better for people living in Gt Yarmouth with the appalling education and employment, with minimum wage, minimum hours jobs, all he is doing is dripping poison in their ears telling them it is the fault of the Polish/Lithuanians/Romanians (delete as applicable), who have 'taken their jobs'. Insidious, poisonous, and destructive. If people think this is a good policy to vote for, I despair.

Ducks in a row can be shot down. Sitting ducks?

In your opinion Elvive just not everyone’s!

Exactly what I’ve said Nonnie - why should we expect a good deal? We’re the ones who voted out. I don’t blame the other 27 for playing hardball. It’s what I expected from the off. Pity that ‘bloody difficult woman’ wasn’t quite minded to have the same attitude. She (wrongly) thought that by ‘playing nice’ it would end up very pleasant and cordial.

As for the BP not being a political party. Well they are registered as such and are in the process of recruiting 650 members to stand in the next GE - should we not Leave on 31 October. They will be getting their ducks in a row ...
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Me too, Scottie [how I wish I could be beamed up somewhere else these days !] x

Cometh the hour, cometh something rather unpleasant and devious.

Whenever I think of Farage, I think of the fairytale "The Emperor's New Clothes.

The Brexit party is a puff of wind, it has no membership, no MPs, just a snake oil salesman who can talk to people and tell them what they want to hear. They have no policies, no manifesto. The Brexit party is not and will not address the very understandable grievances that have caused millions of people to vote for firstly UKIP and then Brexit party. Nigel Farage will not open factories in areas of high unemployment, he will not negotiate trade deals to encourage small businesses to expand, he will not set rent controls, invest in the NHS, in schools, he will stir it up, leave people even more let down by the political system and then walk off into his well pensioned sunset.