Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

My girls now 20 and my dips know if they ever had an unwanted pregnancy I would support any choices they made.

I certainly wouldn’t sugar coat parenting as said upthread it’s bloody hard raising wanted babies.

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Yes the term pro abortion is utterly ridiculous isn’t it.

notanan2 and janipat

Excellent posts

Gabriella54, Are you alright,? I do worry about you
Your posts seem so defensive & angry.
Today the sun is is shining , I hope it is wherever you are, maybe you will be able to chill out.

All have careers ...



My favorite color is green-

What I know to be true:

Unwanted pregnancy isn't strictly a thing that occurs when intoxicated couples engage in unprotected sex-

Countless women have become pregnant while using birth control, some while doubling up with two methods-

Vasectomy isn't 100% effective and neither is tubal ligation-

Circumstances vary -- greatly-

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The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

I think those posters who refer to others as being "pro-abortion" either do not understand what they are talking about or are being deliberately provocative. Few, if any, people are pro-abortion but many are pro-choice – and the two are completely different. Does anyone – least of all those of us who are mothers and grandmothers – want abortions to take place? In ideal world every conception would result in the birth of a healthy much-desired baby. Clearly, this is not always the case and, for some women, the option of abortion is the better of two difficult choices. Taking away choice is not for others to decide, but being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion.

Why should people who hold different views be castigated by the pro lobby. I don't spout my views or rubbish your choices.
Because the only "side" whose views are inflicted on others are the anti-abortion supporters.

Pro choice doesnt aim to make anyone pro life have abortions

Pro lifers want to force others to stay pregnant when they dont want to be.

These are not "just opinions"

Its not a hypothetical debate. These are womens lives

I would bet every single penny I have that you do know several women who have had abortions.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what other people get up to in their lives. They live it, not me and they don't give a hoot what I get up to.
It's called minding one's own business.

I don't support either for or against abortion.
It isn't a conversation I've ever had with anyone at any time.
If I was to be asked the question, my answer(s) would be the ones I have given on here but they are not applicable in my life as neither I nor my family or wider family have had one nor do I personally know of anyone else who's had one. It could be true that friends may not have told me and why should they but, knowing them as I do, I think it's highly unlikely as they confide other personal stuff because they know it goes no further.
Why should people who hold different views be castigated by the pro lobby. I don't spout my views or rubbish your choices.
Every one makes their own mind up. What's the problem?
I keep my views to myself unless asked and then, obviously, I'm not going to lie just to appease the majority.

FYI and before you start making suppositions about me, my ageist views, or anything else, I had my first child when I was 23 1/2. I married at 22.
4 of my children are married and 4 of my now 10 GC are married with children. All have careers.

Its not like for life.

Those of us who are pro the availability of abortions are not supporting forced abortions on anyone.

Those who are against the availability of abortions are supporting forcing women to do what they would chose for themselves personally.

The difference is MASSIVE. Pro choicers are not forcing anyone to do what they would chose for themselves. Guess what, their are pro-choicers that wouldnt personally have an abortion, but support those who would chose differently.

But "prolifers" want to force others to live how they live themselves.

Which is why prolifers make others angry and upset! A pro-choicer isnt trying to tell you how to live your life so if their views dont get your shackles up, thats why!

Who said anything about trying to impose their views on the pro abortion lobby? Certainly not I.
I can clearly read that the majority on here are in favour of abortion on demand so, given that I am not in favour of abortion on those particular terms (outlined in an earlier post) I am in a minority therefore unlikely to be 'forcing' anything onto anyone, much less my views.
By the same token, there are at least 5 very ruffled if not angry responses from different posters, who cite instances to back their claims.
I'm not refuting their claims or rubbishing their views but they are certainly rubbishing me and mine.
My views are just as valid.
Read my previous posts before going on the warpath.

I don't think age necessarily has anything to do w/ one's opinions on abortion. Some are for, some are against, except under certain circumstances.

Excellent post, janipat! Very moving and thought-provoking! My heart goes out to you, your DS (dear son) and DIL, and , of course, your GS (grandson).

youtu.be/1c5g3VGiXSI

janipat

I'm 74 yrs and 3 months.

notanan2 I so wish gransnet had a "like" facility. I have a disabled grandson, autism, PDA, adhd, anxiety, OCD, hypermobility and more and every support and educational need has meant my lovely DIL fighting and arguing for the support he needs. Obviously his special needs were not known before his birth ( and I don't know whether my DIL would have considered abortion), and now we have him we cannot imagine life without him, but are all the anti-abortionists prepared to have their taxes doubled, and maybe their benefits cut, in order that those with disabilities are fully supported? Somehow I doubt it.

A lot of the time anti abortion campaigners trot out young adults with mild learning disabilities who have happy lives.

As if all babies any sort if disability can have the same prognosis

It takes a lot of money to give a severely disabled child a decent life. Without an independant source of wealth the state tells you that they are only allowed to piss X times a day because that is their adult nappy ration. They can only shit at x o'clock or tough: Wait 6 hours until the next double-up care slot to get them changed out of their soiled pad and clothes.

They get can live trapped in "single floor living". Housed in HMOs with stinking comodes that get changed once a day.

Or as young adults with complex care needs, shut away with OAPs in nursing homes if there is no provision for their needs to be met in ways that allow independant living.

If you are better off, you can help them to live a quality life. But if you are a poor parent of a severely disabled child you will be fighting for the very basics.

Maybe if your disabled child is also asthetically cute you might be successful with crowdfunding some life enhancing equipment to give them more than the basics.

Many marraiges break down when parents become carers. Leaving usually mothers in poverty unable to work because they are carers

With money you can suppliment care, buy and adapt property. Get an appropriate vehicle. It can be okay. It SHOULD be okay for all but it isnt.

paddyann I think Gabriella may be amongst the oldest here since she mentions GGC, when many of us have grandchildren not of parent age by a long chalk.

Are you much older than most of us on here GABRIELLA? Your opinions appear to me to be of someone of a different generation .That would of course explain why you think the way you do .

I want to repeat a point I made before but one that gets forgotten.
I want all children to be wanted.
If the mother doesn't want the baby then that's it, you cannot make a woman want to be a mother or want to have additional children if she has already given birth before, There are two choices left, abortion or adoption.
It has to be the mother decision BUT what the mother wants is going to affect that child. Yes it's obvious but all the people opposing abortions are saying that any life is better than no life and I don't agree.
Also are all the anti-abortion people going to donate their time and money into bringing up these babies who will be children and have more complex needs.
What kind of life does a child have if mum didn't want them?
Give women the right to choose, always.

Gabriella you know, sometimes women regret having children!

Yup. It happens. Not all pregnancies that end in live birth magically result in loved well cared for children!

Not all of us could make it work, y'know?
I would rather have 2 children that I can emotionally and financially support than 3/4 that are too much for me to manage

Carrying, birthing and raising wanted children is hard enough.

Our next door neighbour, who had 5 children, confided in my Mum, her friend, that she was getting an illegal abortion. It was all very secretive and she didn't tell her husband either because she said he would be cross with her for getting pregnant again (like it was nothing to do with him!). Her youngest child was around 10 years old and she didn't want to start all over again., mainly because she needed to get a job because it was a struggle financially. Her daughter, who I am still in touch with, said she was permanently hungry as a child because it was "every man for himself" at mealtimes and there were no second helpings! My neighbour was a lovely woman and a lovely mother (not so much the dad) but she just had no more energy to start all over again at what was then considered to be a fairly advanced age. Luckily she was OK but she, and women like her, risked their health in going to a backstreet abortionist.

Of course, women who think abortion is wrong are quite at liberty to continue with their pregnancies, but they should not try and impose that course of action on other women.

Gabriella You seem to have a very poor opinion of women, and paint a picture which I believe is very unrepresentative of their views and behaviour.