Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

You are saying that a good quality Durex condom used with anti-sperm gel can be ineffective. No it can't.

For a start, Durex are crap! I would rather have no sex than nasty Durex sex! I am fussy and only like the more expensive brands. If you think that Durex are the gold standard you dont know much about condoms...

Every split condom incident Ive had were nasty cheap Durex. I banned them at home!

You'd better stick to the method I advocated in my post 15:49:51 notanan.

And I should probably add condoms to that list. If you genuinely believe that condoms with spermicide are 100% effective you should read this and educate yourself www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/male-condoms/

The tests from the chemist assume that 1. You have access to the chemist and 2. The means to buy one.

An abortion within 2 weeks of taking that test on day 1 of a missed period? Gone with all due respect, do you know how menstrual cycles and accessing abortions actually work?

If used properly

Like never brewing a tummy bug that hasnt shown its symptoms yet when having sex on the pill

Like the coil implanting and getting pregnant with the coil still in the womb as well. Thats the woman's fault for not "using it properly" is it?

Like the surgeon not tying tubes properly. Silly wimmin not "using it properly" and making excuses again huh?

Like condoms splitting despite only using water based lube. Can assure you, this happens!

Like knowing that the morning after pill gets less effective the later you take it but its a bank holiday....

90% are up to 13 weeks and only 0.1% after 24 weeks. The anomaly scan is at 20 weeks when most foetal abnormalities are discovered.

You are saying that a good quality Durex condom used with anti-sperm gel can be ineffective. No it can't.

I’m with Maryeliza54, on this. It is a woman’s choice to decide what she does with her body. Banning abortion will be regressing to pre-1970’s, backstreet terminations.

"The manufacturers are hardly going to claim 100% effectiveness, but used properly many modern methods are. If used properly."

100% effective -- including virgin births, too?

Disagree with what Gone? The facts?

I disagree Sirch

Considering the tests from the chemist work practically from day 1, I assume you would have the abortion in the first couple of weeks. That's fine.

No Gone they really really aren’t 100%. It’s so important that people are educated on this.

social reasons is deciding late on you don’t want the baby

Mmmmmm it’s a good enough reason for the mum it’s a good enough reason.

And again late terminations for flimsy reasons are almost non existent.

And I use the term flimsy reasons because it’s probably what anti choice forced birthers say.

no body has to get pregnant

Utterly ridiculous statement

Yes I know what you meant Gone - and those circumstances are the real life actual reality, as irritating as that must be for you.

How late in the pregnancy are you talking notanan?

The manufacturers are hardly going to claim 100% effectiveness, but used properly many modern methods are. If used properly.

Sorry Gonsgirl but I have no intention of lifelong abstinence. So I might get pregnant (v unlikely agewise but has been known to ocassionally happen). And if I did I would have an abortion & it would not affect the existance of my foetus any differently to any "special circumstances" foetus. It would cease to exist just the same!

By "desperate" I mean dragging out every possible circustance under the sun, no matter how unusual.

The desperate?? Gone

That’s not desperate, that’s reality. And the only way to guarantee you don’t get pregnant is to not have sex, but people do for all sorts of reasons. No contraception is 100% effective as I’m sure you are well aware.

"I would have an abortion for "social reasons" .........My social reason would be money"

That is what I was referring to (from notanan)

I agree, nobody has to get pregnant- Sounds kinda funny saying that since my mum obviously did -- and I did, too-

But, yes- It's a fact- Nobody has to get pregnant-

But .. I'm laughing ..

Why is it striking me so funny!

And it isabout the fetus baby.

It is not! Not for the posters who would allow some women an abortion but not others... based on the womens vertue/level of blame/judgement of the woman and their reasons

At 20 weeks there is still half a pregnancy to carry and a birth.

Those of you who cite "special circumstances only" - who should be judge and jury of that? Are you expecting women to PROVE their "special circumstances"?

Women are at the highesr risk of Domestic abuse under two circumstances: When they try to leave and when they are pregnant.

In pregnancy domestic abuse peaks/ramps up, or sometimes starts.

So you "special circumstances" lot expect women to prove their abuse before accessing a late abortion? Thus putting themselves in BOTH of the highest risk ( of death ) categories at once?

And it isabout the fetus baby.