LGBT protest at school

It looks like a legal challenge between the society top down push from LGBTQ+ queer ideology belief and a traditional faith belief will be happening.

www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/strictly-orthodox-women-to-mobilise-against-opening-hampstead-heath-ladies-pond-to-trans-swimmers-1.484633

I don’t know that Annie.

From where do these men pick up their attitudes?

Yes it happens maddy it happens with white British to, are they taught by their parents that grooming and raping is an ok thing to do. You know the men involved in the last case which hit the headlines were taught to rape by their parents ?

Some hideous white people abused and murdered a vulnerable adult. Therefore all white parents are telling their children to do the same.

Quite unbelievable .

I don't need to think, I know something absolutely awful happened and there are issues regarding ethnicity. That does not lead Muslim parents teach their male children to rape white girls.

You are massively out of order.

It’s not Islamaphobic Annie, sadly this has happened.

maddyone read Anniebach's post.

Elive, think about Bradford, Rotherham, Oxford, and a number of other cities.

Gonegirl, most Muslims practice their religion in a quiet and respectful way, I know this because I used to work with many Muslims, but I will not respect those who choose to groom and rape young girls, or who choose to practice terrorism by murdering other people. Most Muslims don’t respect this either, but a significant number do. Nor will I respect girls being sent abroad and forcibly married off to their cousins. Nor will I respect Muslims who stand outside a school and demand that the headteacher be sacked because her staff are following the curriculum and they don’t happen to like it.

Respect works both ways.

this thread now has tones of Islamophobia

no young person should be taught that it is okay to rape people of a different ethnic group

What on earth is this utter nonsense? Do you know many Muslims?

how has this moved from not wanting a small child to be told in school about same sex relationships to murder

Who the hell said anything about freedom from prosecution?!

I'm getting off this thread. (for the time being)

Their religion does not do any harm.

You sound as if you are lumping all muslims in with the nasty extremists and the downright criminals. That is so wrong. Most muslim families are decent and hardworking/

Quite right Janeainsworth, freedom of religion, provided that religion does no harm, but not freedom from prosecution. We are all the same under the law.

I don't agree with the teachings of their religion. But they do. And their religion deserves respect from the rest of us.

How do you know muslims don't teach their children "in a kind and respectful manner"?

No one is giving them the right to gay bash ja. They just want to adhere to their religious principal that homosexuality is wrong. And not have their children taught anything other than that. They are not advocating breaking any laws.

Thanks Boos and other posters who supported what I said up thread.

Re religious beliefs, I think we should respect all religious beliefs even if we don’t agree with the belief, but we should absolutely not respect a belief, religious or otherwise, that causes harm to others. No woman should be treated as a second class citizen, no woman should need to dress in an abaya and wear a niquab unless she wants to, no child should be indoctrinated that homosexuality is completely wrong and evil, no child should be taught incorrect facts ie the world is flat, no child or young person should be taught that it is okay to rape people of a different ethnic group, no child or young person should be taught that it’s a requirement of their religion to murder those of a different religion or none. If parents wish their children to be taught about their religion, let them teach and behave in a kind and respectful manner, so their children will learn to be kind and respectful. If everyone behaved in a kind and respectful manner, this discussion wouldn’t be necessary.

But can we really dictate another person's religious beliefs.Especially when it is an accepted, worldwide, organised religion

No, we can’t gonegirl.
But adherence to a religious belief doesn’t, and shouldn’t, exempt a person from the laws of the land.

Mmm. I see what you are saying Janeainsworth and Iam. The easy one is ... are they acting in a legal or an illegal way. What about some who stays just inside the law?

Your point about children is a difficult one Iam. I think it is easy to see that the rights of a child may be being abused in, say, a cult but more difficult in a widespread religion. In either case how should I feel about the parent. In some situations people forfeit others respect? Does it come down to losing the right to expect others respect if you have ceased to show respect? That could not apply to children though or people of limited cognitive ability.

I would try to treat the individual with respect when interviewing them. There is no way I would respect their argument that they "haven't hurt any children".
I think that’s it Iam.
We should treat people with respect, but that doesn’t mean we have to respect them, or their beliefs.

I'm not getting back into the argument. I think the books, including the one on this particular subject, are probably fine.

But can we really dictate another person's religious beliefs.Especially when it is an accepted, worldwide, organised religion

Well said maddyone completely agree. I hate the word ‘queer ‘. Two of my cousins are gay and they don’t like it either. It’s horrible,