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LGBT protest at school

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Iam64 Mon 20-May-19 20:29:40

Head teacher at Anderton County Primary school has been threatened because the school issuing the Outsider books. Jess Philips is the local MP, she attended today to support the school and was told by one protester that those who support the use of the books were islamophobic. I'm in support of the schools, the books and Jess Philips.

Iam64 Thu 23-May-19 18:00:06

sorry gone girl, x posted there and off out now. Will read your comment again later.

Gonegirl Thu 23-May-19 17:59:30

It's just not the same as the flat earth thing.

Iam64 Thu 23-May-19 17:59:13

That's a good point janeainsworth, where do we draw the line.
What about people who haven't (yet) attempted to involve a child in sexual activity but who has images of children being sexually abused on their lap top? I would try to treat the individual with respect when interviewing them. There is no way I would respect their argument that they "haven't hurt any children".
The argument about indoctrination of children into religious or belief systems is complex. Isolating children from the wider society in which they live isn't acceptable to me. Providing the children aren't isolated totally, the rights of parents prevail ?

Gonegirl Thu 23-May-19 17:58:41

BUT - (that's not shouting) - how, when it's a religious belief ie one that their God teaches them, can we know if it is actually a wrong belief? After all, even our own C of E hasn't yet said that practising homosexuality is ok.

We are a secular society. They are not.

janeainsworth Thu 23-May-19 17:49:47

Don't you respect the person and their right to hold a particular personal belief jainainsworth rather than respecting the belief?
Up to a point GG3. It rather depends what the belief is, I think.
If someone holds a belief that is detrimental or obnoxious to society in general, why should we respect them as a person? Is there a right to hold a belief that harms others?
I’m wondering where we should draw the line, that’s all.

Eglantine21 Thu 23-May-19 17:43:43

??‍♀️.............

DoesAnyoneKnow Thu 23-May-19 17:40:11

Good luck to you with your moving on then.

Eglantine21 Thu 23-May-19 17:26:13

Having made dumb comment hurriedly moves on to something else...........

GracesGranMK3 Thu 23-May-19 17:25:03

Don't you respect the person and their right to hold a particular personal belief jainainsworth rather than respecting the belief?

DoesAnyoneKnow Thu 23-May-19 17:20:25

Nothing. I directed you to a previous link you can't be bothered to go back and look for it, that's your choice.

I posted another link, you may not be interested in the information I share, plenty of people lurk and don't post may be interested in my links.

Eglantine21 Thu 23-May-19 17:18:00

Sorry, what’s that got to do with being kind only expected of females?

confused

Fennel Thu 23-May-19 16:52:35

I think my two sons, now in their 50s, are more tenderhearted than their two sisters .
Who are quite toughminded.

DoesAnyoneKnow Thu 23-May-19 16:48:49

Here is another link, I am sure plenty lurk and don't post.

www.citizengo.org/en-gb/fm/170822-tell-health-secretary-stop-transitioning-children?fbclid=IwAR2eN-ii8Ad8cEGryvOFke040n1GK1AQHXlw7L_vyl1Dgo0vbvO72ynwFMw

Elvive Thu 23-May-19 16:43:09

well said janea.

Eglantine21 Thu 23-May-19 16:30:49

Link?

DoesAnyoneKnow Thu 23-May-19 16:28:22

Ahh, males are women, kindness is ....

As the saying goes some are more equal than others.

Eglantine21 Thu 23-May-19 16:02:40

Which link is that? There are so many.....

DoesAnyoneKnow Thu 23-May-19 15:58:37

Have you looked at the link I posted about the rights of the child?

janeainsworth Thu 23-May-19 15:57:16

I find it odd that being kind is only expected of females

Where did you get that idea, does ?
Or perhaps it’s better not to ask!

Eglantine21 Thu 23-May-19 15:50:54

Being kind is only expected of females?

You live in very sad circumstances.

DoesAnyoneKnow Thu 23-May-19 15:47:27

I find it odd that being kind is only expected of females.

In general it seems some are always more equal than others.

I was thinking earlier what did people do with collective learning - prior to the printing press and modern day safeguarding?

janeainsworth Thu 23-May-19 15:39:32

I’m wondering if ‘respecting other people’s beliefs’ can be taken too far.
Do I really have to respect the beliefs of people who believe the earth is flat?
Do I have to respect people who think it’s ok not to vaccinate their children?
Do I have to respect people who think it’s acceptable to take their pre-pubertal children for hormone treatment because they don’t like the gender they have been ‘assigned’ at birth?
I don’t think I do.
I think ‘respect’ in these situations means only that any discussion of these subjects should be carried out with respect for those people’s feelings, without resorting to abuse.
But I don’t think it means that in our quest to be kind, or politically correct, that we shouldn’t call out beliefs that are factually wrong, morally wrong or dangerous.

(I fully support primary school children being taught about the need to respect differences between people. It’s militant transgenderism I don’t like)

Gonegirl Thu 23-May-19 14:35:16

Iam gringringrin

Can't believe you said that about perhaps not supporting sweet little Eeyore!

Iam64 Thu 23-May-19 14:30:38

Some posters are still talking about teachers 'teaching this subject' as though classes about sexuality, gender, homosexuality, transgender etc are being arranged in primary schools. No they aren't. the No Outsider books are for lower schools in any event as part of the curriculum and holistic work in schools in no bullying, acceptance of others and so on
Most primary school teachers are already very good at all of that. I don't suppose anyone objects to Winnie the Pooh, there's Eyore, with his low permanent low mood and his friends looking out for him. that could be construed as a dreadful thing, the idea of introducing depression as a mental health issue to 3 year olds.

Gonegirl Thu 23-May-19 14:10:22

Still seems a bit young though. But hey, kids can cope.