LGBT protest at school

Oh Lordy, I am lost at the notion of using queer as a verb. Never mind queering a nation.

Leave children , at least in the earlier stages of primary education alone. Let them run around, play in mud, invent, create.

Well, the government need to make it legal. Give it a bit more thought.

Diverse discussions should be for 6th formers, not infants/primary schoolchildren.
Blimey, some kids don't even know how/where fruit and veg are grown !

Would that be legal though gonegirl I mean I see your pragmatic approach that it’s better to keep those kids in mainstream schools.

I agree Gonegirl

Utilitarianism falls down in the case of Brexit and issues like this. An action is right if it tends to promote happiness and wrong if it tends to promote the reverse of happiness.

Compelling people to share a belief via disingenuous stealth, rather than persuading is in my opinion at the root of queering the nation because the majority will not accept it when they understand what it is.

But if the teacher, by using this particular book in the series, is signalling to the child that it's ok to be lesbian/gay/whatever, but the parents at home, because of their religion can't go along with this, what then? It could create a really bad divide between parents and school, especially if the child takes the book home. Not good surely?

I think it might be best to leave this bit of pastoral care out of the curriculum in the case of muslims.

Does anyone know - we agree, we have rights to freedom of belief
Mycat - yes ??

Where's the like button?

Does anyone else feel just teach kids to be kind! To anyone and everyone just be kind.

I can’t be doing with all this deeper soul meanings or lesbian men!!!

Just teach kids to be kind

Those children deserve to have information that helps them understand they aren't alone and that not everyone follows the belief system they're being brought up in. What's scary about that?

You have one group who believe children are naturally born gay or transgender and that they know from a young age. This group believe they are protecting a child's freedom to be who they were born to be and that they only have this one life.

You have another group who believe children are born without a sexuality and gender identity, that it's nurture.

You then have a group that believe children are nurtured and that it's going to damage their souls ability to reach a special place after death. They believe that they are protecting their child's soul and that there is not only this life on earth to consider.

We have a right to freedom of belief.

EllanV - I may have missed something but I;ve seen no comments that say parents aren't allowed to ensure their children understand the family/community/faith groups belief systems.
trisher points out that no one has mentioned the particular difficulties faced by gay men in communities that see them as abhorrent, making bad life style choices etc. Those children deserve to have information that helps them understand they aren't alone and that not everyone follows the belief system they're being brought up in. What's scary about that?

Sorry only read the first page, not time to read the other 9.

Wasn't a fan of JP when all she did was bash men but have now seen another side of her. She had to give up on trying to reason because he wasn't listening.

Hope this hasn't already been said but the head of that school is gay and has been chosen the lead the Birmingham Pride procession. Many of the protesters were carrying placards saying 'we are not homophobic' which seems significant to me.

I can understand why they don't want their children taught things they don't agree with but if it is the law of the land they should state how they feel and then accept what is lawful. There are things I don't agree with but have to accept because they are lawful.

Oh right so what practically do you think the school should do then DoesAnyoneKnow

Practically not theory

Well I think that’s right PinkQuartz this isn’t going away as religions, like politics, seem to becoming more intolerant and fundamentally entrenched.

DoesAnyoneKnow

Sorry I can’t really understand your post.

We don’t punish protesters here we disperse and occasionally arrest. Is that what you we’re asking?

bigot
NOUN
A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

The Muslim and LGBTQ+ communities hold different opinions to each other.

Lesbian feminists who are gender critical hold different opinions to those in the LGBTQ+ community who hold queer theory opinions.

People hold different opinions on Brexit.

In many ways this is a clash that is inevitable.
Our culture is liberal and increasingly tolerant.
Which is great, so how is that ever going to work with a religion that is not tolerant.
Sadly our tolerance has allowed bigotry to go unchecked and now the clash is coming.

Of course in most Islamic countries dissent is punished by various dreadful punishments.

How is "wrong think" be it over school teaching, Brexit or anything else, dissent and intolerance punished in 2019 UK?

The facts of perils of a multicultural society!

Unless the host country has robust dogmatic and no nonsense laws you will always have challenges from minority communities who may have different religions/moral views.

Of course in most Islamic countries dissent is punished by various dreadful punishments.

Liberal western democracies shouldn’t and can’t do this.

It’s a question of whose values are more important and who will be strongest.

Be interesting to see

O.M.G!!! Gays are no more unbalanced than the rest of us! They get married and have happy lives, just like hetrosexual people.

I don't understand the branch of LGBTQ+ (Andrew Moffat and his queer theory side who want everyone to love the fact that males are females and just be kind and accept it) that is encouraging and bullying lesbians xx chromosome type to accept xy chromosome male bodied, male genitalia people identifying as lesbian women, if they don't want someone they don't want someone.

I don't understand anyone wanting to medicate a child and label them trans (they are often gay or autistic) because their leisure, clothing or toy choices don't match current society norms.

If that's ^ passing for progress and modern, count me out.

Well there we are☹️

I don't have a bigoted view Trisher----mine's more a psychological insight and I can see the danger that these " teachings " can and are bringing.

Because their heads are full of confusion, that's why, DAK.
They are an unbalanced sector of the community !

The Orlando massacre was perpetrated by a gay man.