The unofficial 2nd EU referundum taking place today 23rd May 2019

GracesGran trying to belittle another poster again, nasty is as nasty posts comes to mind says a lot about you.

"The claim: The UK trades with "the rest of the world" (non-EU countries) under World Trade Organization (WTO) rules.

The EU and the UK have said they want to reach an agreement on future trade, but leading Brexiteers say failing to reach a deal would not be disastrous. They have said the UK could revert to rules set by the WTO, and have claimed that's how we currently trade with the rest of the world.

"It is perfectly fine for the UK to leave and trade with [the EU] as we trade with the rest of the world at the moment, under world trade rules," said MP John Redwood on 19 October.

"Even if we leave [the EU] without a deal, we still get most favoured nation status under WTO rules, which is how we trade with the rest of the world," said Bernard Jenkin MP on 17 January.

Reality Check verdict: This is wrong. With regard to tariffs, the UK trades with 24 countries and territories under WTO rules alone. With 68 others it has, as part of the EU, free trade agreements, either fully or partly in place, which all enable trade on better terms."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41859691

Whitewavemarkmark2
Conversely I wonder if any Remainer will in all certainty let me know what benefit remaining in the EU will mean to me and those who follow.
You must know because you all voted for it, I will be happy to know.

Whitewavemark2
It would work just the same as any trading alliance. There are hundreds of countries outside the 27 of the EU, majority are trading quite comfortably and aligning to like minded countries. Many happy to allow specific free trading agreements. Many we already trade with however we are currently constricted by EU trading terms and tarrifs. The EU is concerned that if/when we leave that we will negotiate more favourable terms with our current non EU trading partners potentially invoking a trade war which, because each other EU country is tied to the group trading directives leaves them in a v difficult position of not being able to react quickly enough and without 26 other nations agreement.

I wonder if any leaver can let me know what I must expect with a no deal Brexit?

You must all know because you all voted for it, so please can you tell me.

You are telling varian she is wrong, so perhaps you could enlighten me?

Hello joelsnan can you tell me what happens on WTO rules?

varian
Do you sell your services on Blackpool pier?
You have an uncanny ability to know what would happen post Brexit, that is providing it its doom laden. Polish your glass ball and see what could be awaiting us.

"So what happens if we crash out? Not what you might think.

The immediate consequence is indeed that we fall back on the infamous “WTO terms.” Championed by Leavers, for most economic forecasters (including the government’s) the damage would be immense. Severing links with our largest trading partner would throw the economic system into disarray. Cross-border trade flows would grind to a halt. Sensible Brexiteers concede that it would at the very least be disruptive.

But it would also be unsustainable. And that word is key. For the truth is that the situation could not—and would not—continue. It would not be allowed to.

The reality is that businesses need to trade and goods need to travel. A major economy like Britain needs an overarching deal with its largest trading partner. Forty-five per cent of our exports go to the continent. A government might threaten “no-deal” but no administration could sit on its hands while the system really imploded. The human and electoral consequences would be too great.

We would be looking at a dramatic U-turn. How would it work? In the days after a no-deal departure, the machinery of Westminster would be in convulsions. The government would look on appalled as any remaining reputation for economic competence disintegrates. The newspaper front pages of empty shelves and chaos at Dover will herald doom at the ballot box. The Tory Party and the political class as a whole will start to get very worried indeed.

And that is when self-preservation will kick in. The chaotic reality is precisely what will force MPs to leap to the rescue. They will form groups—cross-party if necessary—and legislate at lightning speed. Within days—weeks, at the most—Britain will be back at the negotiating table.

What happens then? The Chief EU Negotiator Michel Barnier has made clear the price for any orderly agreement is acceptance of the withdrawal deal and the controversial Northern Ireland backstop. This time Westminster will be in no position to refuse.

And what if a new prime minister takes over, promising to implement no-deal on a more permanent basis? No Tory figure could command sufficient support. You would need a majority in parliament that our current sorry crop can only dream of.

This is the reality of no-deal. It is not an end-state but the start of a process. That process will be one of capitulation."

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/what-everyone-has-missed-about-a-no-deal-brexit

How does it work though joelsnan?

So say we leave on 31 Oct without a deal. What then?

Not according to Lucy Harris, just elected as a Brexit "Party" MEP . She told an interviewer that the worst of the damage would be over in THIRTY YEARS!!! and added "but it would be worth it"

Why is there fear about WTO rules?
Leaving the EU would enable UK to form more advantageous alliances what about the Commonwealth of trading partners? That would be a force to reckon with. The diversity of trading options both in and outside the bloc could be mutually beneficial. WTO would be a short term measure, not for life.

I wouldn't dream of quizzing you on the way you voted Nonnie nor would I ask why as I would think you had read on the subject, listened and made your own mind up.
There is a ton of information out there.
It isn’t only you that asks that constant question btw as many Remain posters have being doing the same incessantly for the last three years.
‘Why have you voted that awful way when I haven’t’ is the main refrain.
There were many answers given....at first, but the grilling went on and on ad nauseam.

Oops thanks Lemon must have had my mind on something else. Always happy to admit when I make a mistake, may I point out yours? You cannot determine whether a question is genuine or not unless it is your question. Your response is wrong. It is a genuine question I have been asking for a very long time. If you think it is not then that says so much about the way your mind works and nothing about the way mine does. Even a child of 3 would understand about asking questions and wanting an answer, they do it all the time and get frustrated if they are told "I'm not telling you". I would of course be happy to answer if anyone asked me why I chose to vote for a Remain party. Off now will check again when I return.

maddyone spot on??

Nonnie you say in your last post that you voted for a leave party.

Note that nobody gets grilled/quizzed over their decision to vote Lib Dem etc.?
All this ‘genuine question’ stuff asked of leavers wouldn't fool a child of three.

What is a WTO Brexit?

The majority win by the Brexit Party is a clear message to Westminster that this country wants a World Trade Organization Brexit.

Maddyone
Good one.
Doesn't need rocket science does it ?

Grandad1943
Trust you are raising your glass to todays results

Firecracker what you say is simply not true. Does that upset me? Not really, as my expectations are not that high where some posters are concerned. However, you do remind me of Lord Nelson.

maddy I don't think anyone has asked for 'Justification for voting for any party'. I have been genuinely asking for a long time if anyone could tell me good reasons why I should vote for a leave party rather than a remain one. I voted for a leave party because no one has answered that question. I have admitted to things I have got wrong and would be happy to admit I was wrong to vote remain if anyone would try to convince me. I don't understand the point of coming onto threads about Brexit if you are not prepared to debate the pros and cons. Just seems a bit pointless to me. I think many of us who voted to remain in the EU are happy to explain why.

I don’t think the question is being asked in a genuinely curious way. Anyway, it seems perfectly obvious to me that people who voted for the Brexit party want to leave the EU. No other explanation is required, in fact even that explanation isn’t required because the answer is in the name.
Justification for voting for any party isn’t required, it is between the voter and the ballot box.

Well said Labaik Intelligent people try to understand those with different views but if they can't establish what those views are they are left with no choice but to assume the views are not good.

I think some of us just can't understand why people vote for politicians like Farage, Widdecombe etc when their views on most things are so diabolical We are genuinely curious. What I see happening around me makes no sense and it saddens me.

Beckett I'm sorry but you did not read my post correctly. Well if you did you have misconstrued it. Please read it again.

So when I say the truth Urmston you say I am 'winding people up' but give yourself permission to say anything you like. Did you get promoted to 'Thread Monitor'? Oh no, just one rule for you .............................. [sigh]