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jura2 Quote [Why has Hoey not been kicked out of LP years ago?]

In the view of many jura2 she and a number of others in her liking most certainly should have been.

Hopefully, that process is about to commence, but in the middle of the largest political and constitutional crisis, this country has faced in over more than seventy-five years that will not be easy or pretty pretty p r e.

However, it is being reported that several Labour MPs have cancelled their summer holidays to remain at home and try to rebuild their relationship with their constituency parties. We can all only hope that such actions will result in success and many deselctions will be avoided.

However, I believe in several instances the the working relationships between a number of MPs and the constituency management committees are now at such a low level that deselection will be unavoidable.

Thank you. But that just won't and can't happen - how can the EU give the UK all the advantages of being in the EU, without any of the responsibilities - like FMOP.

But I am curious as to why you think a tiny majority vote, now proven to have been fraudulent and externally manipulated, and based on massive lies- needs to be upheld?

jura2, I voted remain, but believe that the outcome of the referendum has to be upheld. However, I also firmly believe that on leaving the EU the United Kingdom must remain as part of the single market and Customs Union.

Anything else but the above, I also believe, will be a total economic disaster for Britain.

Why has Hoey not been kicked out of LP years ago?

jura2 in regard to your post-@18:47 today, again as has been pointed out on numerous occasions on this forum the Labour party are not the party of government at this point in time. Should Britain "crash out" of the European Union without a deal, that will be the responsibility of the Tory/ERG/DUP grouping in the House of Commons, and no other bodies.

Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition in Parliament has stated that he will lay down a motion of no confidence in this shambles of a government at the first opportunity when parliament again assembles in September.

If the Tory led grouping unite and oppose that motion it will be defeated and Boris Johnson and his cohorts will continue to lead the country to whatever Brexit conclusion they please.

The above is democracy and as the party of opposition, there is little more that Jeremy Corbyn and the vast majority of the the Parliamentary Labour Party can do.

Of course, when you have such MPs as Kate Hoey stating that she will refuse the Labour whip and now sit as the first Brexit Party member in the House of Commons, that certainly does not help matters.

So much for Hoeys so-called socialist democratic principles. That is why many grassroots activists in the broader Labour movement are determined that such members have to be "rooted out" by the Constituency parties during the course of the late summer, whatever the cost.

May I ask (and of course you will ignore if you don't want to say) but did you vote Leave Trisher and Grandad?

No need to tell you, of course, that I/we voted Remain, with a big big R.

people now realise their job is at risk, their workers's rights, their agriculture, that the NHS will not benefit and will indeed be at risk of being sold, and that we are so so desperate now that we are in no fit State to get a good deal from anyone, let alone Trump's USA - in short, that we are NOT going to get back control, and be vassals to Trump rather than full partners of the EU (and so much more). And young people will not make the same mistake again, and will get up and vote, massively.

It is true that the majority of Labour constituencies voited leave three years ago, but , firstly that was a quirk of our undemocratic FPTP electoral system s that fact condradicted the votes of most Labour Party voters, and secondly, many minds have been changed since then.

I think leaders of all persuasions have had lots of negative headlines, trisher.

JC did enjoy some very positive headlines due to the adoration of the youth of the moment a couple of years ago.

But they've grown up now

And I agree with varian. JC is no fan of the EU which would go some way to explaining his reticence in shouting too loudly about Brexit.

However it also has to be mentioned that Labour constituencies did vote to leave the EU. 148 for leave, and 84 for remain. Nine regions voted to leave and three voted to remain in the EU referendum.

Maybe some have changed their minds but I wouldn't be too sure.

so, do you want to crash out with a No Deal? Because we just have weeks to avert it. This is a national emergency- and needs fast, effective, intelligent action- not just toeing the party line- especially as polls show a vast majority of members do not want the above.

There is NO signs currently that LP would win a GE, even in those dire circumstances- and that is due to JC.

A great explanation of how people have been conned and influenced by mainstream media
www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/facebook-comment-jeremy-corbyn-going-viral/31/05/?fbclid=IwAR3zNjqR-87YXqV_GztTstApQVqMODRYhRcNv8xWoEdKL-IYAeYK9zWj9aY

The behaviour of Jeremy Corbyn over the last three years leads many of us to think that he is doing everything he can to ensure that brexit happens, against the wishes of the majority of Labour MPs, the majority of Labour Party members, and the majority of Labour voters.

As has been pointed out time and time again on this forum jura2, Jeremy Corbyn is supporting the lay membership drawn up policy of "a General Election as first priority."

The above was brought forward by last Septembers Labour Party Delegate Conference which is the primary policy-making body for the whole movement, and that applies in equality to even the leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Tough for some when the rule of principle is placed in front of personal gain and whim by a number of MPs in the Labour Party.

Is forcing the biggest defeat on a government in modern history and leading a vote of no confidence fence sitting? if you are speaking about him pursuing policies which are the party line then it's not just him on the fence is it?

oh trisher- really? You have not seen JC sitting on that fence, for hours, days and nights, weeks, months, years

You should know all about that POGS I have yet to see any real reasons why Labour haven't been an effective opposition. But I await them with patience.

Well I certainly see ' smoke and mirrors ' and deflection.

When all else fails shift the debate.

Well Said trisher

Just seen a cartoon with JC holding a placard with 'Labour Party's position is clear' and the caption 'he just doesn't agree with it (with Keir Starmer looking glum)

trisher yes Corbyn is great at rallies, when he feels deeply about something he can let Rip. He is comfortable with an adoring crowd applauding every word.

But as a leader? Too weak, he is not honest,

trisher- I have said again and again that I do NOT dislike JC. I've met him many times in the past, as part of CND, and he is a great actitivist. I agree with your last sentence totally.

So apart from personal dislike what qualities do you think Corbyn lacks that prevent him being a leader? He is a practiced and able orator. His public speeches are renowned. He has a great record in negotiating and discussion. He is honest. He learns quickly. Is it perhaps that he has not been 'sold' to the general public by the media? Personally I' rather have real qualities than a load of PR guff.

22nd September- doesn't leave much time, does it?!?

What are the dates of Conference? It is going to be a very very stormy time and show how divided the party is. But all a bit too late, too late.