The Labour Party

What you right wing talking about Labour 1981 83 is not now.
Jeremy Corbyn has a progressive forward thinking for massive change manifesto. And have you actually read all the 100 polices as voted for by the membership? It is a people's party for the people, how could anyone not want these needed polices? Who could argue about that?

And a fantastic green policy.

And Labour would save our NHS Renationalise it.

Other parties, Libdem same Tories Jo Swindon voted for all all Torie austerity polices.

Only credible Party for the many is Labour and Jeremy Corbyn Its who the membership overwhelmingly voted for.

This is a good and intelligent man to listen to.

m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=-n5YiCRIujo

POGS - it’s grim when life long Labour supporters like me find your comments about 1981 resonate so well. Unlike those from grany and co ?

Yes practically the same POGS , the Labour Party is back in 1981, and racing toward a repeat of 1983

Anybody interested, can I suggest watching a you tube clip Militant Labour/British Labour Party/TV Eye/1981

I am not sure of copyright technicalities.

It is a programme on Militant Tendency and has interviews with Derick Hatton, Peter Taaffe, Tony Mulhearn et al. Names who have been noted again for their attempts to rejoin Labour over recent months since Corbyn was elected as Leader. No idea if successful or not.

The mirror image of Militant Tendency and Momentum are in the eye of the beholder I'm sure but to my mind the ethos, mantra, practices and rhetoric are practically the same but in a different era.

In the video a younger Frank Field is also interviewed and that was in 1981. Fast forward to 2019 and the conversation is the same since the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party was formed.

Hence the saying ' Back To The Future'.

I suppose the following is lies by the Tory press

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/frank-field-labour-selection-meeting-15848495

"Momentum are putting forward the candidate to stand against Frank Field at the general election.

The constituency will be flooded with Momentum"
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Momentum and the Unions will be forwarding candidates in most Labour seats in the constituencies that have seen Labour MP's resign (sitting as Independents) or get deselected by the Momentum/Labour Party. That has been the plan from day one of Corbyn becoming Labour Leader.

I have said before and will say it again. I hope Frank Field wins but Frank Field has been here before many years ago with those on the far left wanting to get rid of him. History is repeating itself but I think the best he will do is eat into the Labour vote.

Sadly a good MP like Frank Field has fallen foul of the reborn Militent Tendency Brigade, it was inevitable. Some don't realise they are supporting the ' old' school of thinking, they think they are young and progressive, I think the wool over their eyes is lifting somewhat and that will be to the advantage of the Lib Dems.

Grany

You're post is obviously the thought of a die hard Corbyn /Far Left poster and quoting from Tribune (reborn but still far left/Marxist/Trotskyite leaning, happy to be corrected) is simply following the mantra of the far left:-

' It' s all a conspiracy, nothing to see hear, Corbyn is not to be challenged ' trope.

For years we have debated the type of Leadership under Corbyn the Labour Party has found itself to be in. As per human nature some have raised the Hostile List/Deselection/Anti-Semitism/Bullying /Harrasment and Intimidation since the Jeremy For Leader, Momentum, Labour Party was formed. Others have categorically denied even the remote possibility it was based on anything but lies and conspiracy, no matter how much evidence is witnessed or provided.

The latter group blame Blairites/Right Wing Press/Conservatives/Biased Media / Uncle Tom Cobley and all and totally disregard the truth and the fact the problems are being reported by those inside the Labour Party.

Your quotes are just proving the point that nothing will stop the far left mantra:-

"It' s all a conspiracy, nothing to see hear, Corbyn is not to be challenged ' trope."

Mick Whitley the labour candidate to stand against Frank Field is a member of UNITE

Quotes from twitter ? everyone could be matched with
quotes from twitter on Corbyn the anti semetic

tribunemag.co.uk/2019/08/demonising-the-left

03.08.2019
Demonising the Left
By
David Miller
A new report commissioned by the government uses anti-war activism as evidence that socialists in Britain pose an 'extremist' threat.

What a crazy right wing Tory government we have!

It sickens me to my stomach when people say Corbyn is antisemitic. Here he is again, sticking his head above the parapet when no bugger else did. My god, but people should be bloody ashamed of themselves. Really, really ashamed. You know who you are.

twitter.com/0Calamity/status/1157411957269508099?s=20

Just a few tweets of the many peope tweeting their support backing for Jeremy Corbyn.

After four year of unrelentless media attacks

You should also note that Corbyn has democratised the party so it is no longer a personal fiefdom for the leader

I am 67 voted Labour all my adult life
Jeremy Corbyn is the best thing to happen to the Labour Party and to the country, especially since it is in such a diabolical state after 10 years of Tories! I will not change!

I’m in my late 60s, a socialist all my adultish life.
Corbyn brought me back to Labour after my disappointment in the latter days of New Labour and I continue to support him and respect the enlivened party democracy.

54, Life long Labour voter... usually as a vote against Tories, finding it rather nice to have something to vote for rather against.

I'm 44, always voted Labour, but because of Corbyn I finally became a member and actively support Labour now, and there are many thousands like me

I was a life long Labour voter until neoliberalist Blair. Corbyn won me back and had me joining a political party for the first time in my life.

The most right wing and incompetent government in decades is aided and abetted by a right wing media quaking at the thought of a left of centre Labour government pledged to undertake massive reforms. What surprise is there that polls underrate the support for a Labour government?

This is what lifelong
@UKLabour
party members have been waiting for since The post war government.
Now we will have government that works for all of us and can’t be bought.

Imagine that.

My whole family are “lifelong Labour”, still Labour, forever Labour. They love Corbyn, respect Corbyn, back Corbyn. So, you’re just going to have to stick that in your reality sandwich & take a big bite.

My CLP is full of them tbf.
I'm 55 tho & joined in '16 when Lab stopped being a mild tory party, always felt Blair was a fraud & proved right but, more importantly, found a force for real change. Its not even hard left OR rocket science. Fund public services, no US wars, fair tax

Momentum are putting forward the candidate to stand against Frank Field at the general election.

The constituency will be flooded with Momentum activists

He is loathsome. He closed his Respect Party in 2016, so
I assume he will stand Independent but will Momentum secretly support him, there has been talk for ages there are plans to get him out. Think it will be a dirty fight.

will Galloway stand as an independent or Respect/name your organisation candidate. He’s a loathsome charlatan. He spoke in our town when wild conspiracy theories about 9/11 were discussed. Galloway did nothing to challenge his admirers who made these statements.
Tom Watson is subjected to awful abuse by Momentum supporters.

Tom Watson has announced George Galloway will stand against him at the general election.

Corbyn will be soooo happy

Why the constant ‘let’s get rid of another Blairite ‘ ?

Be honest just say what you mean ‘let’s get rid of another
centre left party member’

Grandad - Your views on those wicked 'Blairites' make me want to get a T-shirt that says "I too am Spartacus" in support of what Alistair Campbell says about the current Labour leadership.

The idea that the Labour Party doesn't have room for people who gave 50 years of their lives supporting it is nauseating. It's those extreme, one sided views that are leading to many leaving the party, or feeling they can no longer support it. It could lead to another tory government. That's something this country can't afford

Imagine Corbyn with world leaders, clutching his scripts

like Corbyn, perhas?

Alistair Campbell was never elected to any position in the Labour Party or broader movement. He was Tony Blairs Press Secretary that acted as a bully to anyone who challenged him or his master in that position.

No one I feel in the Labour movement will shed any tears on hearing he has resigned from the party and will not wish to return.

He is just another Blairite "has been" still trying to capture the headlines. The Labour Party and its affiliate movement has moved on, is now far more democratic under a vastly altered organisational structure, which now belongs to its grassroots activist members and affiliate activist members.

Campbell and those in his image and from his era should wake up, accept what has changed, stop trying to interfere for the sake of gaining publicity on their sinking political careers.

A yesterday's man.

I agree with Alastair, far right or far left are frightening.

Corbyn is not a leader, yes he can whip up cheers at rallies
but it takes more to be a leader.

Alastair Campbell on the Today programme this morning:

"I think that with Jeremy Corbyn he has got to look deep into himself and say is he up to the job, is he up to the challenge that (he) now faces? Because if not, we are heading to a very dark, dangerous place with an unbelievably right-wing, populist Government and the answer to which is not a populism of the left."

Why would Margaret have cause not to trust the mighty one, ?

Grandad

As for ' that woman' perhaps she has had so much crap thrown at her from those in the higher echelons of the Labour Party and those who constantly deny there is an anti_semetic problem she felt it necessary to prove she is not the one lying and recorded it. I don't know but trust there ain't.

As I said to you on one of your ' constant ' attacks on Margaret Hodge:-

"Perhaps if the Margaret Hodges of the Labour Party had not incurred the wrath of the anti_semetic behaviour aroused and reported since Corbyn became Leader they would never had a problem to deal with."

The point re DESELECTIONS and your view that those MP's who do not fall at the feet of Corbyn are self centred and my point re when a Conservative MP does not fall at the feet of their Leader are they not being self centred also?

I have heard Labour Ministers and MP's praise the likes of Soubry/Grieve et al for showing the courage to stand up for what they thought was right against their Leader, yet their own MP's are traitors, fucking useless as McDonnell said for doing the same and standing up for what they believe in against their leader.

I appreciate deselection has also been involved in the Conservative Party, example David Gauke, however the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party are known to have orchestrated the practice of DESELECTIONS and the Hostile List was a flavour of what has followed.

Do you not agree that vacant seats will be filled, are being filled with Union/Momentum members. The voices over the years from those MP's/Councillors who saw what was happening with the Momentum / Labour Party, maybe trying to be forced out by Momentum in their own constituencies, were shouted down, accused of conspiracy but the years have at least shown Labour voters there was a truth behind it and the Broad Church Labour Party has been lost to them.

Wonder why she wasn’t. !

As usual no full or structured counter-arguments from either POGS or anniebach to arguments raised in this thread.

By the way, had Margret Hodge covertly recorded meetings with others while working in any commercial organisation, then undoubtedly she would have disciplinary action brought against her by her employers, and in all probability been dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct.