The Labour Party

A quote from Attlee on the far left 1951

‘Just as we were beginning to win the match , our outside left has scored against its own side. ‘

Seems Attlee had the same opinion of the far left as I do.

How could any sensible person expect Margaret to trust Corbyn ?

He has proved over and over he is not a person to trust.

Anniebach
The Labour Party has returned to its core root beliefs?

Yes Core Beliefs proper Socialism which are Labour polices and their manifesto. Not the neoliberalism of the 'New' Labour the Blair period. He was in league with Murdock and is a godfather to Murdock's offspring. in the pockets of the rich.

Jeremy Corbyn can't be bought.

The 60’s and 70’s ,Harold Wilson , James Callaghan, in the control of the unions, strikes , strikes, strikes, then further left with Michael Foot , this all brought us the Thatcher years.

Thatcher made the unions useless We need good unions to protect workers rights.

^Then Neil Kinnock, John Smith, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown
which brought the party 3 consecutive general election wins^.

Murdock boasts he choose all the PMs since the 70s that is too much power for a billionaire newspaper owner. tax avoider.

^The country has moved on since 1945. We do not have
flat caps, pigeon lofts, terrier crossed dogs , workman’s clubs where women were banned.^

The election of a proper socialist Labour PM after the war even though we had massive debts because of the war but still brought in the NHS and the welfare state which was badly needed and which made it better for all and many people benefited for many years.

Grandad1943 Excellent posts.

POGS, in regard to your post @ 19:18 today (28/07/19) could please inform me which Conservative MPs who have carried out like wise to those at present being considered for deselection in the Labour Party are deemed to be honest, trustworthy, showing sense and in that case Labour welcomes them, as you state?

Also with regard to Margret Hodge as stated in my previous post, she was invited to a private and frank meeting with Jeremy Corbyn to discuss her discontent whatever that may be. She then decided to covertly record that meeting, placing aside those so-called discontents in the hope that Corbyn would state something which she could place in the hands of Britain's right-wing press that would cast him in a poor light. How low can some people sink, and their can be no defence of the indefensible.

Many members within the Labour party have placed their views of that woman's actions on other social media sites. I will not reproduce those posts here or my own thoughts of that woman's action, for undoubtedly this post would be deleted should I do that.

True POGS one only has to read grandad1943 posts about getting rid of centre left members .

Broad Church, a lie. Not anti semetic , a lie.

gentler politics , big, big, big lie.

"However, it has to be remembered that such behaviour has been going on for over three years now, and those in the broader Labour movement outside of the Parliamentary party are demanding that those perpetrating such behaviour are acted against."
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Corbyn managed to vote against his Leader off and on for years and nobody said he should be ' deselected'. He had an Independent mind like others but he/they were accepted.

That takes us back to the Labour is a Broad Church nonsense. Labour is a party of HOSTILE LISTS/DESELECTIONS and run by Momentum that does not respect any MP that does not hold with their position.

Back to the days of Militant comrades, hoo ra.

Bullying is the what Momentum does best

Grandad1943 you have bragged the Labour Party is back to it’s socialist roots yet will rid the party of the centre left.

The Labour Party was always a broad church, no longer, if
your not far left your out.

If only Blair and Brown had ditched ‘the broad church’ we would be free of Corbyn .

Grandad

" It is as straightforward as that, but the undemocratic sabotage of the present leadership and policies by a number of Labour MPs for their own self-service"
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Yet Conservative MP's who do like wise are deemed to be honest, trustworthy, showing sense and Labour welcomes them.

Perhaps if the Margaret Hodges of the Labour Party had not incurred the wrath of the anti_semetic behaviour aroused and reported since Corbyn became Leader they would never had a problem to deal with.

Anniebach, no one wishes to rid the Labour Party of any member whose asperation is to see it's core policies carried out and also accepts the democratic and overwhelming election of its current leader.

However, the above has not been the case with a number of MPs in the Parliamentary Labour Party. They continuously carry out a policy of near sabotage against Jeremy Corbyn and those in his office.

In the above, I would sight such persons as Margret Hodge who even when invited to a private meeting with Corbyn to discuss her discontent, then covertly recorded all that was stated in the hope that Corbyn would say something in that private frank discussion that could cast him in poor light in Britains right-wing media.

Further such actions could be sighted by other Labour MPs, but that would make this post far too long. However, it has to be remembered that such behaviour has been going on for over three years now, and those in the broader Labour movement outside of the Parliamentary party are demanding that those perpetrating such behaviour are acted against.

The above demands have brought forward changes to the Labour Party rules that allow Constituency Parties much more freedom of action in deselecting Labour MPs who do not accept the present policies and democracy as expressed by the majority in the movement.

The Media have been reporting that a substantial number of Labour Party MPs have now cancelled their summer holidays to spend that time in rebuilding their links with whatever Constituency Party they are responsible too.

We can only hope that those working relationships are rebuilt, and that all-round cooperation and respect is restored within those bodies. Should it not be, I feel we shall all witness a substantial number of Labour MPs being "shown the door" in late summer and even perhaps while the Party Delegate Conference is being held.

As unpalatable as the above would be, it is accepted by many in the Broader Labour movement (including myself) that the foregoing must be carried out, as the present situation cannot democratically be allowed to continue.

For those who wish to see a change in the leadership of the Parlimentery Party there is always the option of bringing forward a vote of no confidence, and then allow the membership to decide in a leadership ballot if they wish to see Jeremy Corbyn continue as leader.

It is as straightforward as that, but the undemocratic sabotage of the present leadership and policies by a number of Labour MPs for their own self-serving gains has to be brought to an end.

Bit late in on this discussion, but I will never vote Tory, never. I am for Labour, funny enough I believe in their policies and some will say I am mad but I do. JC will not be leader for ever, things move on. Will I vote Labour in the GE, well that is the question I am a firm Remainer and the only party who has opted to stay is the Lib Dem.

So there lies the the problem, who do I vote for, I am sure I am not alone

Fennel I will never vote Tory . We have a by election here this week, I was going to vote for the Lib candidate but was shocked when she refused to say where she lived.

So have decided not to vote, feel guilty but no choice

Annie - that's my irrational nature. Like you I grew up in a coalmining town.
I could never support Tory values.

some nightmares are even worse than others - and in desperate situations you just have to make a choice ...

Many centre left have left the party and as grandad1943 proudly posts often, the party will be rid of them all soon.

So why should I vote for a party which I worked damned hard for for over 50 years but now wants to be rid of those like me who are not far left .

The choice now is far right or far left , both are a nightmare

And still want to stay in the party even though it is so
divided ?

desperate times require desperate actions. I would vote Labour without hesitation if it meant keeping Boris and ERG out, and No Deal Brexit. I would however much much prefer an alternative if we can get a significant alliance to secure the above.

Indeed Maizie. Conference was a very long time ago, in very different times. Sometimes emergencies and crisises mean you just have to adapt- or go down.

Obviously, some may have left the organisation due to not liking that leader or the more left-leaning policies and structural changes he brought about.

That may be true, Grandad, but many have left because of the Labour Party's ambivalent stance on Brexit. They don't have a problem with its social policies, just with the perceived fence sitting. You may argue that the Brexit stance is party policy, agreed at Conference but it's an argument that holds no water with more 'detached' voters.

Fennel, you joined only if Corbyn could unite the party.

And still want to stay in the party even though it is so
divided ?

The above discussion reminds me of one that we had back in the 80s. We were on holiday in Tuscany at a small hotel and one evening shared a table with two other couples. One of the men was a manager at a Fords plant and one was a bank manager. One of the women was a novelist who wrote historic family sagas and did very well out of it. I still see her name at airports and charity shops now. We were discussing politics with three people who voted Tory; I can't remember how the novelist voted. Anyhow, her father was a Nottinghamshire miner and a strong Labour supporter. Her father didn't recognise that the lives of us post war babies were very different to those of his co-workers. We had free healthcare, free orange juice and access to good schools. In the sixties, as young adults (in the south east) it was easy to rent flats (although they were pretty grim) and to find employment. We wanted more out of life than many of our parents' generation. Many of us achieved decent careers and acquired wealth to a varying degree in the form of houses and/or pensions.

Tony Blair and his fellow MPs recognised these changes and also that many people from working class backgrounds had become Tories and he hoped to gain the middle ground with his policies and possibly convert some of these new Tories. Sadly that wasn't to be because to become a Tory to many people of working class origins was a sign that they'd made it. I find this interesting because most of my friends and acquaintances who come from more middle class backgrounds are LP members or supporters and the reason for this is they want other people to have their opportunities and experiences. And no, they didn't all leave school, get grants and go to uni.

So, I'll end by saying that I hope all the LP supporters who say they won't vote Labour again because of Corbyn will change their minds because we will be facing an extreme right wing Tory government that could win the next election.

re keeping up LP membership.
I was a member of the LP from the early 70s to the late 80s.
I rejoined to vote for Corbyn as leader - I did specify 'only if he could unite the party' which he hasn't done.
When my membership expired last year I filled in forms online to re-join but their secretarial system must be very inefficient as I was never accepted. So I gave up.
But I still get pms from Momentum about their events

And labour will keep losing elections

It was then Grandad - we are now in a totally different situation- and a massive crisis.

And refusing to compromise and make alliances, and change Leader, will be all ticketyboo, and the basic policies and structures will not change - and what then? No Deal Brexit and years and years of massive damage to our economy and of course, all the great things said economy pays for, and benefit the less well off in our country a lot more than those who can pay private. You will feel all cosy and warm and self-righteous - and watch the country go down like a lead balloon. Really?

Iam64, it has to be remembered that when Jeremy Corbyn became the leader of the Labour Party over four hundred thousand then joined the party. Obviously, some may have left the organisation due to not liking that leader or the more left-leaning policies and structural changes he brought about.

I am also not confident that the Labour party will win any forthcoming General Election that may come about in the near future. However, what I do applaud in the Labour Party is the fact that the grassroots members and the affiliate organisations that have supported the Palimentery Labour party for over one hundred years now once again have a real say in the formation of policy and day to day running of the party.

Blair totally ignored the wishes of the above members throughout the period when he and his cohorts were the executives of the parliamentary party. That has now been changed and will not be allowed to return under the current structure of the movement, and that's the way it should be and remain.

The foregoing will be placed before the wider electorate in due course. Whether that electorate accepts or rejects the above is a matter for those that vote. However, I do believe that even if the Labour Party do not win in any forthcoming General Election, those basic policies and reformed structure of the Labour movement will not change, and the same will remain on offer to the electorate into the future.

Could have written the same Iam64 - thanks.