Labour anti-semitism

Anti semetism reared it’s head when Corbyn became leader

Ed Milliband is a Jew, no problem then

So can anybody actually disprove Chris Williamson's statement that the Labour party has done mre than any other to deal with anti-semitism?
And the anti Corbyn brigade-do you imagine that if he is replaced as leader anti-Semitism will somehow vanish?

Great cartoon this morning

Corbyn leading Williamson to the door - a swing door ?

I see the two lawyers who have been advising the LP on the Williamson case are Jewish. One assumes they know what they are doing?

Jess Phillips is disloyal ?

Wrong, Jess Phillips was being honest .

It's funny till 2015 when Jeremy Corbyn became leader you would never hear about anti semitism. Now in the MSM and BBC that's all you hear. Don't you think that's funny?

In fact since Jeremy Corbyn became leader there has been less antisemitism. Tories have more so does country as a whole.

This is what Chris Williamson actually said. Re photo.

Three true statements:

1. There is some anti-Semitism in Labour

2. Of Labour's 600,000 members, less than 0.1% are AS.

3. 99.9% of Labour are not AS and feel intensely hurt, angry, confused every time the likes of Jess Phillips et al. insinuates they are

#r4today

More Jess disloyalty? #r4today Yes Jess, Labour is a movement but it's supposed to be a democratic party with rules & procedures. Clearly Jess Philips wants a dictatorial Labour leader who will overrule due processes & ignore party decisions. Preferably herself.

The BBC are portraying the whole Chris Williamson story as an outrageous aberration (see #r4today this morning) whilst being extremely careful not to mention any of the facts of the case. They’ve been pumping out this narrative relentlessly across all BBC platforms, all day long.

If there are a litany of anti-semitic offences committed by Chris Williamson why doesn't #r4today set them out for us?

Isn't that what a 'flagship' news programme would do?

Jess Phillips will be happy. Her vitriolic attack on her own party at 07.50 goes straight into the news at 08.00.
This is not a breach of Labour Party rules though. Of course it's not. #DoubleStandards #r4today

Get your facts straight, #r4today! Chris Williamson was NOT suspended for comments about antisemitism in Labour BUT for a comment about accusations of antisemitism in Labour. #BBCbias

So we’ve gone from a long chat with a group of Tory voters saying how great Boris is (a focus group) to a chat with Jess Phillips about how terrible Corbyn is

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"Marxist" is now being thrown around as an insult against Jeremy Corbyn by Tory MPs and the right-wing press. Here's a brief explanation of what Marxism actually is:

Karl Marx

www.counterfire.org/articles/opinion/19636-marxism-in-800-words

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Lord Falconer who was asked by the LP to oversee the party's handling of antisemitism cases tells @IainDale on LBC "there are probably thousands of antisemitics in the LP"

Nearly 100 Labour MP's and Lords sign letter to Corbyn to remove the whip from Chris Williamson.

68 Labour staff members wrote a separate letter to Corbyn.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/27/chris-williamson-labour-mp-suspension-lifted-antisemitism-anger-jewish-members

“It is clear to us that the Labour party’s disciplinary process remains mired by the appearance of political interference. This must stop. We need a truly independent process,” the statement said.

“We call on Jeremy Corbyn to show leadership by asking for this inappropriate, offensive and reputationally damaging decision to be overturned and reviewed.

“Ultimately, it is for Jeremy Corbyn to decide whether Chris Williamson retains the Labour whip. He must remove it immediately if we are to stand any hope of persuading anyone that the Labour party is taking antisemitism seriously.”

Watson told the BBC later that Corbyn had to act: “We have never had an MP accused of stirring up so much upset in a particular community in Britain. It required a full inquiry. And that’s why [the NEC] decision is so bewildering."
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Grandad

But nobody has or is denying there is/could be a problem in the Conservative Party! How many times can posters not argue that point? There are numerous threads that raise that issue to which you contribute regarly.

The deaf ear is with those who refuse to accept there is a problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party and if it cannot be a subject raised on a thread dedicated to that issue then where can GN posters who do wish to discuss it go?

I am dipping in and out of GN today but I will be looking into the case you raised re Cons MP Bob Blackman and when I have established the facts I will return to say what I think as I do not believe in defending the indefensible, unlike some.

I've no idea about any Hindu preacher, but I do know that that beacon of human rights An Sang Suu Kyi has behaved shamefully on the subject of the persecution of the Rohingya people! A disapointment to say the least!

POGS Quote [Grandad
You keep repeating the same points re the Conservative Party on a Labour Party thread and yet you dislike it when a Conservative thread mentions Labour. Do as I say not do as I do! ] End Quote.

POGS, could you point me to where I have objected to the Labour Party being mentioned in a "Conservative Party thread", as I cannot recall doing that.

In regard to your above rehash of posts previously made again makes the point that no formal enquiry has been held or even began in the Tory Party regarding accusations of Islamophobia/racism, and until there is such an enquiry, those accusations remain as that.

Therefore, no one can go beyond making " accusations" until such an enquiry is concluded. However, not holding on enquiry and trying to "sweep the racism in the Tory Party under the carpet" is exactly what the executive in the Conservative Party want and have been doing in recent times despite all the evidence that racism is widespread in that party.

Grandad

You sum it up quite well in a further post :-

Grandad1943 Thu 27-Jun-19 09:40:57

" I believe that when people are not prepared to discuss racism as an overall subject matter, it is offen to hide their own prejudices in the subject. "
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Amen to that and probably the wisest comment you have made .

There is a distinct lack of people prepared to discuss antisemitism in Labour and many who deny it is even a remote possibility , perhaps , as you say, they are hiding their prejudices on the subject

Grandad

You keep repeating the same points re the Conservative Party on a Labour Party thread and yet you dislike it when a Conservative thread mentions Labour. Do as I say not do as I do!

I will answer your post 09.03.00 by simply cutting and pasting ANOTHER post of mine from this thread that keeps answering your point on the numerous occasions you raise it on so many threads. As for your comment ' bringing racism back to the forefront ' this thread is debating Labour antisemitism so I think however many times you wish to stop debate/discussion this is happening 'deflection' will not work.

Grandad1943 Thu 27-Jun-19 09:03:00

"Well, if some forum members wish to bring racism back to the forefront, they should also consider making some post on this Independent Newspaper report on islamophobia in the Tory Party."
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POGS Sat 08-Jun-19 14:58:07

Grandad1943 Fri 07-Jun-19 20:52:39

" As I have stated previously in this thread racism, harassment and bullying surround all of us in every corner of our society. Therefore, for those who wish to see the above iradicated perhaps they would care to comment on the below report taken from the Daily Express in regard to the above problems in the Conservative Party."
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You also ironically said when the discussion is about the Labour Party and antisemitism this on this thread :-

Grandad1943 Wed 05-Jun-19 20:51:12i

" To continually post on the above Issues in regard to only one political organisation and often one person in that organisation is to deny any reality in the situation.

In fact, it becomes rediculas attempted cheap political point scoring, which demeans what is a growing and very serious problem in Britain at this time."
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You keep giving the impression your posts concerning the Tory Party and accusations of Islamophobia are somehow never answered. WRONG. I have answered you on several threads , as have others.

POGS Thu 06-Jun-19 00:50:07
Grandad

" To continually post on the above Issues in regard to only one political organisation and often one person in that organisation is to deny any reality in the situation.

In fact, it becomes rediculas attempted cheap political point scoring, which demeans what is a growing and very serious problem in Britain at this time."
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Where your point falls flat on it's face is there was a thread called ' Islamophobia in the Conservative Party ' to name just one.

You are a prevalent poster against the Conservative Party and Conservative individual MP's on the ' 'copious ' anti Tory threads. Along with other posters who like yourself feel the Labour Party should be somehow be out of bounds for debate, ( a case of ' Do as I say not do as I do ) when the thread subject is the Labour Party I have to ask why you cannot accept ALL political parties are debatable on GN whether we as individuals like it or not.

Given antisemitism in the Labour Party has been discussed on GN for 3 years and it is as current an issue to date I think it warrants to be kept in focus . Islamophobia in the Tory Party equally if and when evidence is provided should be debated too. As for ' political point scoring ' that can take various forms .."
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Whether it be Antisemitism in the Labour Party or Islamophobia in the Tory Party it matters not a jot , it is simply WRONG.!

The difference is I see no poster defending the accusations of Islamophobia in the Tory Party if and when factual evidence is provided but over the years on GN the denial of Antisemitism in Labour by some posters has been astounding."

GrannyGravy13 Quote [ Racism is unacceptable in any form.

Grandad1943 I am not getting into a "tit for tat" discussion with you on the unethical elements in any of the
parties, neither side has anything to be proud of at the moment in my opinion.] End Quote

At last GrannyGravy13 we have an acceptance that racism exists in both of Britains main political parties. So, why the instance on that discussion being restricted to just one of those parties in this thread.

If this forum is to have any meaningful debate in regard to racism, let it be on all aspects of that subject, and not just one organisation or sector within our society.

Well said GrannyGravy

Excuse me, I yawned

Racism is unacceptable in any form.

Grandad1943 I am not getting into a "tit for tat" discussion with you on the unethical elements in any of the parties, neither side has anything to be proud of at the moment in my opinion.

Well, anniebach, at least I am not trying to defend a political party with links to the extream right in Europe and America and even invites a Hindu preacher to Parliament who condones the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya Muslim people in former Burma.

grandad1943. I think separate threads on some topics are needed , already you in defence of your Marxist party
have again taken thread off topic.

Apologies, should have been "as a labour MP" above

GrannyGravy13 Quote [ Margaret Hodge is not in favour of CW being readmitted to the party. ] End Quote

Ah, Margaret Hodge, her of such integrity that she secretly records private meeting conversations in the hope that someone will say something she can take to the right wing media

There are many who believe that Margaret Hodge should be deselected and a Labour Party MP for her above actions, and that includes me.

Had she had carried that out in a commercial company she would have incurred disciplinary action against her, and undoubtedly dismissed.

And that's the way it should have been for Margaret Hodge.

I believe that when people are not prepared to discuss racism as an overall subject matter, it is offen to hide their own prejudices in the subject.

Grandad1943 I thought there was a separate thread for Conservative Party Islamaphobia accusations.

Margaret Hodge is not in favour of CW being readmitted to the party.

Anniebach,

Why not have it all discussed in one thread, as there is racism in the Labour party and your Tory party.

There is also racism in very many other organisations in this country. So, as stated, why not have that all discussed in one thread.

Diversion of thread .

There is a tbread on Islamophobia and the Tory party.