Labour anti-semitism

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jul-19 18:30:1

" POGS if you admit that the Tory party is both anti-Semitic and Islamophobia then I invite you to post evidence to support this view.
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POGS Sat 08-Jun-19 14:58:07

" Whether it be Antisemitism in the Labour Party or Islamophobia in the Tory Party it matters not a jot , it is simply WRONG.!

The difference is I see no poster defending the accusations of Islamophobia in the Tory Party if and when factual evidence is provided but over the years on GN the denial of Antisemitism in Labour by some posters has been astounding."
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POGS Thu 27-Jun-19 14:10:24

" But nobody has or is denying there is/could be a problem in the Conservative Party! How many times can posters not argue that point? "
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Thread after thread that raises the Tory Party and Islamophobia / antisemitism/racism, whether the thread be about Labour or Tory Party problems some poster will make the same daft comment there is a denial it is true when it comes to the Tory Party.

I have been asked before to ' prove' I do not deny it. So let me make it clear.

I believe there is antisemetism/islamophobia/racism in ALL parties including the Tory Party.

I am not like some who believe there is no issue with the Labour Party, it is all a conspiracy.

Now you show me a post that denies a problem in the Tory Party!

The CPS moves slowly and that often leaves innocent people hanging in mid air, sometimes suspended from their employment, always stressed. I'm not defending that, only saying that the delay is sadly normal, it isn't some kind of conspiracy theory. Apologies if that isn't what you meant trisher when you asked why it took the CPS three months to decide on hate crime allegations.

Iam64 - One of the things questioned was why it had taken 3 months for the CPS to decide on actions about hate crime. Something the Laour party had no juristriction over. And what made the headlines from that speech? Labour anti-semitism and the lack of action by the party. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be investigations and it shouldn't be discussed, and these are happening, but surely more important than any in-party events the inability of a national organisation to act promptly on hate crime should at least cause as much concern.

trisher - no doubt you'll disagree with my view on why the alleged anti semitism in the LP has made headlines. The LP has been the natural home for the majority of members of the Jewish community. It's been the party that stands for equality, anti racism etc.
Of course there is anti semitism in other parties, it's part of the Jewish experience, just as with all so called minority groups. It isn't just hitting the headlines because of 'the right wing press'. What about that long speech made by Margaret Hodge, that POGS printed earlier. Does that count for nothing?

It might be interesting if someone could explain why if as has been said there is anti-semitism in all the parties it is only the Labour party anti-semitism that has made headlines.

You could be right, RosieLeah. I do hope so.

There is no anti-semitism. It's a ploy to create anti-semitism, by drawing attention to all things Jewish. Those who have happily lived side by side with Jews and accepted them as part of our society are now being encouraged to feel hostile towards them. In politics, there is always some psychological game being played.

POGS as a Jewish convert (30 years ago) I've puzzled over this constantly.
There's no doubt that antisemitism exists in all countries where Jews live. Even in the Holy Land . I've asked non-Jews about it and they say fear, misunderstanding, jealousy etc.
The need to have a scapegoat.
And most of all , the claim to be a 'chosen people', whatever that means, places Jews in the impossible position of having to be perfect. We're only human.

POGS if you admit that the Tory party is both anti-Semitic and Islamophobia then I invite you to post evidence to support this view.

Some more evidence that anti-semitism is endemic in the Tory party

October 2016
Tory party conference

Mays “ citizen of nowhere” speech alarmed a number of Jewish commentators as being similar to the language to be found in Mein Kampf.

Nick Timothy - Mays aid- was also criticised by a number of commentators over his criticism of George Soros as being anti Semitic.

Whitewave

"Here is some more anti Semitic evidence for those blinkered Tories, who seem to think quite wrongly that it exists only in the Labour Party."
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I will ask you the same question when you have asked the same sort of question before.

Who are the ' blinkered' Tories who think it only exists in the Labour Party?

Which poster from any party has said it only exists in the Labour Party?

That is the difference between posters, some are open and admit antisemitism and Islamophobia, racism belongs in 'ALL' parties others believe antisemitism is not a problem for Labour, the Labour MP's are liars and it is a Media /Labour MP's/Blairite/Old Uncle Tom Cobley and all conspiracy and deny evidence when it is put forward.

I would hope that won’t be the case fennel but with luck washing all this dirty linen will result in the recognition that racism needs to be confronted everywhere it is found and the fight against it never ceases.

Grany another good post.
Being personally involved in this issue, I find it hard to put forward a single view.
There are so many branches of Judaism in this country and they each seem to have a different opinion on this. As the old saying goes, "70 Jews, 70 opinions".
The reason I wish it wasn't so high profile is that as history has shown, it will probably all come back to blaming the Jews for moaning in the end.

July 2018.

A row broke out over the Labour Party and the IHRA and the definition of anti-semtism.

This was condemned by the Tory party, but it was subsequently found that despite Tory party assurances they had not in fact adopted the IHRA definition and in fact had lied.

January 2017

Johnson as Foreign Secretary met with the white supreme its Steve Bannon. Bannon was described by as someone who is synonymous with anti-semitism, misogyny, racism and homophobia. He supports far right organisations throughout the world.. The Jewish Labour Movement accused Johnson of hypocrisy. Johnson accused Corbyn of anti semitism whilst meeting Bannon. And continues to do so.

If we withdrew support from European countries with histories of antisemitism then we would end up supporting nobody at all diplomatically!
Of course there will be some antisemitism in every political party including the saintly (!) Lib Dems but the difference is that other parties deal with accusations of it quite quickly and the LP have been dragging their feet, apparently reluctant to engage with this problem.
The LP do now have an awful reputation with the general public and the Jewish community at large, and they know that ( unlike some posters on GN.)

Here is some more anti Semitic evidence for those blinkered Tories, who seem to think quite wrongly that it exists only in the Labour Party.

April 2018

A number of Jewish organisations called on the Tory party to confront a number of European parties that the Tory party is affiliated to because of their racism and anti semitism.

September 2018

Jewish leaders condemned the Tories because they continued to support Hungary’s far right government which
has violated press freedom, undermining judicial independence, and waging an anti-Semitic war against George Soros. The Jewish leaders asked the Tory party to withdraw their support from the political group including Hungary, Latvia and Poland, all of who have an anti-Semitic record.

The Tories were the only Conservative party in Europe to support Hungary.
The Jewish Chronicle described the Tory vote as “truly shameful and a dark day for the Tory party”

Quite a few high profile Tories refused to condemn the support for anti-semitism. Gove was amongst them. The Jewish chronicle remarked on the irony, that the Tory party were supporting anti-semitism at the same time as they were condemning Corbyn

My pleasure lemon

Annie I thang kew!

Could they be members of Jewdas Seder. ? Corbyn said he learned much from them after spending an evening in their
company ? Their prayer ends with

‘And f**k the Queen and especially f**k Prince Phillip, burn
down parliament . Full communism. Amen

You are amazing lemon

It’s no good POGS and many others on this thread, blinkered socialism ( beloved of Corbyn) abounds and they just refuse to see the truth of the matter, even though there is plenty of evidence out there, that under Corbyn as LOTO antisemitism has mushroomed, and further to that, the LP
Now seems totally unable to get to grips with it.Unable...or unwilling?
They will be losing the Jewish vote in the future, that’s for sure.

What a love fest going on.

You are welcome Ilovecheese

Thank you for that post grany

Thank you Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jul-19 15:26:35