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Labour anti-semitism

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Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 12:04:55

The equality and human rights commission have launched
an investigation

trisher Tue 28-May-19 17:16:32

How many Hard Left people do you actually know? The ones I have met are friendly not dictatorial and in fact are willing to listen to others. We are talking educated knowledgeable people who have a different perspective on history and sometimes are much better informed than most.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 17:12:47

I hear that the Islamic council, is requesting that the EHCR look into islamaphobia in the Tory party.

This country is going to the dogs

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 17:12:27

Well I guess Margaret Hodge knows more about the origins of these messages then we do or the police and commission will. Let’s hope so.

I completely disagree with you over the hard left and the hard right.

Both are unpleasant, dictatorial, hateful racist and often mysogynistic.

We are not talking wolfie Smith here are we.

trisher Tue 28-May-19 16:57:42

Horrific of course but it bothers me a bit that she uses the term "Hard Left" to attribute the messages. If these are Labour Party members why not name them? If they are members of another political organisation why not name that? It is far too broad a term. There are of course nutters at every level of politics but "Hard left" is a vague term. I know some revolutionary socialists, they are very nice people and much as they might dispute and argue with Margaret Hodge they would not send such messages.
And actually Mycatisahacker the far left are nothing like the far right. They seldom seek to restrict knowledge and in fact want you to know more about the secret history of freedom fighters, and revolutionaries.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:47:09

horrible ref to Jo Cox.

And of course she was murdered by a far right terrorist. But arnt they alike the far right and far left.

But you do need strong leadership to deal with this as we all know it’s the top tear that sets the tone and the spirit

Anja Tue 28-May-19 16:45:26

What? 🙄

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:42:27

Momentum happened sad

Anja Tue 28-May-19 16:41:48

That is not the Labour Party Urm that is some Neanderthal who should have been drowned at birth. His mother was clearly lacking in foresight.

There are a lot of racists out there (and a few on here) but one person’s tweet or post does not represent the whole lot of us.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:38:13

Its become so profile because it’s not been sorted so out of control. Wouldn’t have happened under Blaire brown or Ed.

Urmstongran Tue 28-May-19 16:37:12

Margaret Hodge put this post on Twitter half an hour ago:

Margaret Hodge
Verified account
@margarethodge

Following

“Recent emails from the Hard Left say I’m paid by Israel for my silence on war crimes & allegiance, I work for Jewish satanic masters to protect ruling class, I’m un-British for supporting Jewish party members, I should slit my wrists & I should have been killed instead of Jo Cox.”

What has happened to the Labour party?

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 16:37:00

No I think it’s a momentum thing and a hatred of Jews due to the unquestioning support of the unelected brutal Hammas.

Instead of criticising the Israel’s government, which is absolutely fine, they are picking on British Jews in an institutional way. At their party conference and at local level.

Bit like blaming all Muslims living here for terrorist atrocities here as many people do.

Bizarre isn’t it. Hopefully the commission and police can uncover, expel and prosecute the racists and sort it out.

Labour is so much better than momentum

MaizieD Tue 28-May-19 16:33:35

I'm asking because it startled me greatly when the whole thing began to be so high profile.

MaizieD Tue 28-May-19 16:32:13

Can anyone explain why anti-semitism should be regarded as a particularly Labour 'thing'? Not asking for a catalogue of JC's iniquities, just why the LP is considered to be so anti-semitic? Is it a class thing?

Anniebach Tue 28-May-19 15:46:09

Diversion , thread title ‘ Labour anti - semetism

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 15:45:59

jura2

I think it’s far more institutional within labour but the commission will uncover that.

For sure there’s racist in all parties and for sure the Tories are not exempt but it’s hoe deep rooted it is and how it’s dealt with I guess.

jura2 Tue 28-May-19 15:38:28

I don't agree with tit for tat- and with two wrongs = right.

But I am amazed how many people who are up in arms about 'semitism' in LP, are totally blind to Islamophobia in CP.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 13:25:56

There indeed is a difference that some in labour clearly don’t understand.

However hopefully This enquiry will sort these issues out and the truth will come out.

Amazing how quickly Campbell got kicked out. They can act fast when they want to

Beckett Tue 28-May-19 12:59:49

I agree there is a difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, unfortunately some commentators cover their anti-semitism by claiming it is "just" anti-Zionism - that is what has to be investigated.

knickas63 Tue 28-May-19 12:56:52

Agree Dinahmo

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:55:56

dina lets hope that the enquiry clears that up.

I have recently completed a course on anti-semitism run by the Holocaust Foundation in Israel, and they are quite clear on the difference as am I. They argue very strongly that to criticise Israel’s policies regarding expansion is both healthy and needed.

Dinahmo Tue 28-May-19 12:52:01

Sadly, many people confuse anti Zionism with anti Semitism and there is a difference.

Mycatisahacker Tue 28-May-19 12:45:38

Good!

Many good labour members and back bench MPs are being smeared by this inability to sort the issue out.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:35:12

I shall email both my mp and JC to indicate that what ever the findings are the Labour Party should show its character by accepting them with good grace and if necessary to make amends ASAP.

Beckett Tue 28-May-19 12:28:33

The Labour Party members I have met are not anti-semitic, however, it can't be denied that some comments by some Labour members do require investigation. It can only be a good thing to shine a bright light on any discrimination.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-May-19 12:14:08

I shall welcome the findings as I have been very saddened by these reports.

And puzzled as it is not the Labour Party that I experience. I shall keep a close eye on the investigation and read with interest and perhaps a little humbleness.