Labour anti-semitism

Why would you think it was you ilovecheese - you were not referred to at all, Anniebach's post was addressed to someone else.

If we're quoting sayings, there is another one too:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
William Shakespeare

ilovecheese you resent the inference ? Why would think it
was you ? Most strange

Which was why I posted Sir Thomas More's concept that silence implies consent.
Rubbish

I just want to say that I have never sent or received private emails such as the ones anniebach seems to think have been taking place and that I rather resent the inference.
Did anyone say it was you ilovecheese?

It has happened.
Unfortunately, they have inadvertently been sent to the poster referred to as well and were strictly against the rules and the ethos of Gransnet.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

I just want to say that I have never sent or received private emails such as the ones anniebach seems to think have been taking place and that I rather resent the inference.

If trisher believes anti semetism will remain because you
can’t change people’s opinions by throwing them out of the
party , surely the same applies to racisism in all parties ?.

trisher and Grandad.

So because a poster does not repeat the point Islamophobia is a problem for the Conservative Party as you do, or choose to not discuss it much you think you have the right to insinuate she is ' racist'!

I ask you again :-

' Has Anniebach at any point ' denied ' or ' made excuses for' Islamophobia or Islamophobia in the Conservative party as you keep implying she does? '

Are you both so cock sure Anniebach has not made a comment or condemned Islamophobia or Islamophobia in the Conservative Party?

There are threads after threads where the OP raises the Labour Party and the thread shifts to the Conservative Party, likewise there are copious threads after threads where the OP raises the Conservative Party and the thread shifts to the Labour Party.

It's what happens.

To imply a poster is ' racist' and singled out for doing what others have done/do including those who accuse another of being ' racist' is not even below the belt it is vile.

Grandad.

' Some things cannot be defended POGS.'

No they cannot but I will defend when the accusations are uncalled for, hypocritical and down right nasty.

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It's interesting that any discussion on anti semitism within the LP seems to end up having what I see as too much discussion on Anniebach's views on Jeremy Corbyn's leadership and too little discussion on the real problems. The best I can say is that the leadership is not managing the allegations of anti semitism effectively. If the leadership can't manage allegations how will it manage the country. I say that as someone who dreads the idea of another 5 years of tory mis rule.

trisher - you express your belief that anti semitism 'will remain because you can't change people's opinions by throwing them out of a party you need to attack the roots that feed their beliefs'. I expect you're referring to the recognised concerns about the actions of the current Israeli government towards the Palestinians. I agree that needs to change, I haven't seen a single poster who would disagree with that.
My worry is that the 'roots that feed their beliefs' are the roots of anti semitism, rather than the roots in the conflict between Palestine and Israel (governments) The Jewish people have been subjected to pogroms for so long its hard to set a date but certainly since the Middle Ages they've been threatened with violence and death and driven from established communities.

Well expressed, mycatisahacker.
I started to look at anti-Semitic posts when a far right march was allowed in my home town.
There are themes about Jews that run on and on, and I was unaware of them until I read these views.
Some of these were reported in the Margaret Hodge post.
Some of these views are chilling, but there are many more.
It is up to the Labour party to get a historian to explain these libels to them when dealing with the miscreants.
Likewise the Conservative party need to get their house in order regarding Islamaphobia .
We have seen the outcomes of racism. Let's learn from history, J.

Anniebach refuses to post on demand , she has always posted as she chooses within the rules of the forum. And she will not be pressured by the new tatics of the
McClusky/Momentum party members

POGS I have never slyly suggested anyone is doing anything underhand and Annie's post was completely uncalled for. Nor have I constantly posted things without explanations or refused to comment or explain when questioned.
Annie has never actually commented on Islamaphobia in the Conservative party so how can we know her views? Which was why I posted Sir Thomas More's concept that silence implies consent.

POGS, Anniebach is always to be found condemning racism in the Labour Party, but never to be found condemning racism in the Tory party or any other organisation. Of recent even when members have been expelled from the Tory Party due to their islamophobic statements, and then are allowed back into that party within weeks, Anniebach refuses to condemn that action or even make comment on it when invited to.

Some things cannot be defended POGS.

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trisher. vile? I was being very helpful, the poster I replied to said with certainty ‘what a number of forum members find very distasteful ‘ ,

anyone can see posters disagree but I
have never read a number of posts saying they find a post or
a poster very distasteful . grandad1943 states it as fact , how does he know ? Possibly he doesn’t know but felt empowered by stating he knows with certainty .

I just thought I would advise to take care

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You speak with knowledge of the views of a number of forum members grandad1943, take care, I recall PM’s being sent discussing how to attack a poster, unfortunately
the poster lined for attack was sent the PM in error ?

POGS, in reply to your post @ 12:29 today (01/07/19) if you occasionally read the contents of the numerous anti-semitism and anti-Corbyn threads started by Anniebach on this forum, you will see that I and others have never denied that racism exists in the Labour Party. The membership of that party is at present between four and five hundred thousand and to be added to that figure are six million plus affiliate members.

Therefore, it would be rediculas for anyone to claim that no racism whatsoever existed in the Labour party for as with any large organisation, racism will exist in a minority of those persons associated with it.

However, what a number of forum members find very distasteful would be the fact that Annibach will continually point to racism in the Labour Party while refusing to condemn the same in any other political party or organisation. That without doubt, is to use racism as the sole driver of a personal political agenda.

I am still at work at this time, so I will end my post at that. However, to articulate that the above is "distasteful" is very much an understatement on my part.

In the twitter video Norman Finkelstein

Perhaps you could explain your own ideas about anti-semitism in the Labour Party Annie or do you imagine as long as you express enough shock and horror, and continue to blame Corbyn that is sufficient?
As for Islamaphobia in the Tory party you obviously assign less importance to that, which if it isn't racist is certainly discriminatory

twitter.com/richards1052/status/1145432107151310848?s=20

As expected trisher ,

ilovecheese , you are deliberately twisting my post on that thread, I replied to a post which spoke of the enquiry in the Labour Party and independent enquires.

it was a very short thread