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Dinahmo Wed 29-May-19 12:17:20

John Bercow has decided not to retire as Speaker whilst there are major issues before parliament. This will no doubt go down badly with the pro Brexit lobby but for most Remainers I suspect that it is good news.

Bercow is a source of interest here in France and they admire the way in which he calls the Hosue to order

Callistemon Wed 29-May-19 22:49:06

has anyone told him ?
Lindsay Hoyle, I mean!

Labaik Wed 29-May-19 23:13:39

I love him, too #hero

maddyone Wed 29-May-19 23:19:58

I think he’s a pompous upstart.

maryeliza54 Wed 29-May-19 23:32:50

If you mean he wasn’t born with a silver spoon ....#hero ?

Ginny42 Wed 29-May-19 23:33:54

I like his style. Imagine keeping on top of all that's going on in the House especially when tempers rise. He's sharp and funny and has a great command of the English language. Amuses me anyway. I also like his attitude to Donald Trump.

maryeliza54 Thu 30-May-19 00:16:37

It’s the cut of his jib isn’t it that makes him so adorable #hero❤️??

Whitewavemark2 Thu 30-May-19 09:19:41

I saw him when visiting the HoC he was tiny but has a presence somehow. He clearly enjoys his job and has an excellent memory. The other thing I think is that HE KNOWS his job, so the MPs can’t put one over him, which is as it should be.

The speaker has a high hierarchical position I think doesn’t he/she?

Urmstongran Thu 30-May-19 09:57:39

Alima ??

75% of MP’s oppose Brexit, and Bercow’s one of them. MP’s would have to vote him out, so that’s not going to happen.

What is worse, there doesn’t appear to be a review body of any kind, who could challenge his neutrality or bias. With an autocratic poppycock like Bercow in the job this has to change.

That said

Urmstongran Thu 30-May-19 09:58:59

sorry, pressed post!

That said, I’ve read that the Conservative Association in Buckingham (Bercow's seat in Parliament) are looking to deselect him at the next GE. That would of course be breaking with time honoured tradition. That in itself would be deliciously ironic. Please Buckingham, do it.

Boosgran Thu 30-May-19 10:10:59

Maddyone hear hear?

Caledonai14 Thu 30-May-19 12:15:24

Maybe Larry was thinking of the other two Deputy Speakers, Eleanor Laing or Rosie Winterton?

Justme67 Thu 30-May-19 12:25:53

Don't usually get involved with political discussions, but I cannot stand John Bercow, I am sure his ego can withstand my dislike, but he is so pompous, and I think perhaps one day he will go just too far, because he thinks he can.

Callistemon Thu 30-May-19 12:29:18

I also like his attitude to Donald Trump.
His attitude towards Trump was unprofessional and demeaned the role of Speaker of the House and Parliament itself.
He can think what he likes about him in private but his duty is to remain impartial.
If he wants to express his views on Trump and others he should give up the post of Speaker.

lemongrove Thu 30-May-19 13:11:40

I agree Callistemon he really isn’t impartial
He used to be really right wing but then swung to be more left wing, he was a Conservative but is Labour now, if everyone including him is honest.Which is fine, if he kept up the impartiality but he doesn’t.
Small man syndrome and a hefty chip on his shoulder about his early life probably, attending a comp and his Father being a taxi driver.Actually, he has done really well in life but I suspect he still feels inadequate when facing tall men with an Eton background, which makes him go OTT with his flowery language in the chamber.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 30-May-19 13:28:13

Blimey lemon you are getting more like Les Dawson by the day.

You say the most ridiculous things, “inadequate when facing tall men from an Eton background” ???

Who on earth would feel inadequate facing them?. Blimey you’d have to have a problem if that was the case, they are all so inadequate themselves, just look at their performance. Almost across the board. Heaven preserve us from Eton!

Labaik Thu 30-May-19 13:43:05

I really don't think Bercow feels inadequate in any way grin. As for flowery language I give you Rees Mogg and his filibustering....

SirChenjin Thu 30-May-19 13:47:44

When facing tall men with an Eton background

I don't imagine for one second that JB feels intimidated by that grin. He probably has the same views on them as many of us do.

Beammeupscottie Thu 30-May-19 14:23:14

To be a tall man from Eton, in politics, is to be lampooned and despised. Very old-fashioned statement.

POGS Thu 30-May-19 19:14:50

Look up his early years and thoughts.

Named as an MP who 'Flipped' his home during the Expenses Scandle period.

What about the connection between Bercow and the Dame Laura Cox Inquiry into Bullying and Harrasment in Parliament and I don't mean just the allegations against Bercow himself that should have been investigated, I mean the subsequent handling of the findings and what some see as a total whitewash. How was that allowed to happen?

He called The Leader of the House ' A stupid woman' and reportedly ' f-----g useless'. Although he only admitted to calling her ' A stupid woman'. No wonder he let Corbyn off for doing the same thing.

He is tantamount to being a hypocrite who uses Parliamentary Convention accordingly to allign with his own personal view and on one hand he wants to be seen as a Progressive/Moderniser and overrides Parliamentary Convention to set ' New Precedent' but when it suits says he must abide by Parliamentary Convention from hundreds of years ago.

Bercow is rude, humiliates MP's by the use of sarcasm and ridicule and is most certainly NOT abiding by the code required to be Speaker. :-

' Speakers remain strictly NON - PARTISAN and renounce all affiliation with their former political parties when taking office and afterwards. The Speaker does not take part in debate or vote (except to break ties; and even then, the convention is that the speaker casts the tie-breaking vote according to Speaker Denison's rule). '

I have the opportunity to watch a lot of Parliament Live and both Deputy Speaker Labour MP Lindsay Hoyle and Deputy Speaker Conservative MP Eleanor Laing are by far better than Bercow, especially over the subject of bias and personal behaviour.

Entertaining is not what I consider to be a quality in the role of Speaker and that unfortunately is what Bercow is ' A Showman'.

maddyone Thu 30-May-19 20:28:54

Exactly POGS.

Chewbacca Thu 30-May-19 20:42:42

If John Bercow had half as much dignity, authority and gravitas as Betty Boothroyd had, I would respect him. But he doesn't. He's a bad tempered weasel of a man compared to his erudite, composed and intelligent predecessor who, at the age of 89, is still fully politically engaged and commanding respect.

Labaik Thu 30-May-19 21:28:50

However, people don't seem to be listening to Betty Boothroyd's view on Brexit at the moment do they?. And, if she were speaker at the moment I think she would be making her view known...'Baroness Betty Boothroyd gave a barnstorming speech about the need for a second referendum as she
The first female speaker of the House of Commons was greeted with a standing ovation to which she bellowed her distinctive "order, order".

To an enthusiastic crowd the former MP said: "I thought my friends that my rallying days were over but this fight matters to me more than any I've known in my long life in politics".
She gave both the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition short shrift telling the crowd: "our country desperately needs leadership." '

Labaik Thu 30-May-19 21:31:45

People's Vote: Betty Boothroyd says 'nobody voted for this mess'
Former Commons speaker Betty Boothroyd speaks at a People's Vote rally and says "nobody voted for this mess".
"I blame the charlatans who peddled the falsehoods that [Brexit] would be easy. I wouldn't trust them to run my bath, let alone the country."
09 Apr 2019

lemongrove Thu 30-May-19 22:25:21

It’s easy for some to dismiss the thought that Bercow may well feel uncomfortable with ‘tall men from Eton’ because you are women for a start.Small men do often feel inadequate in the company of tall men, and Bercow comes from a poorer background, went to Oxford where he would have done his best to fit in, (but harder then than now.)
I always feel his arrogance is a coat of armour.
Lampooned and despised?MP’s who went to Eton? Not in Westminster they aren’t!

lemongrove Thu 30-May-19 22:29:50

As you say POGS being rude and trying to humiliate MP’s,
Not a pleasant trait, and if he is such a happy chappy ( as some seem to think) you have to ask yourself why he does it?
The usual answer to why some like to put others down is to make themselves look big.Inferiority complex.