Protest marches

I don’t mean to sound smug, truly. I apologise if I do. I just probably haven’t expressed myself well.

On further thinking about this topic (ouch, my brain is hurting!) is it American healthcare or the American healthcare system?

As long as healthcare remains free at the point of use, I'm not particuarly bothered which healthcare professionals provide it.

And already our NHS hires non-Brits, buys foreign manufactured medicines and medical equipment, and already outsources services to private firms, such as Virgin.

If a US-based company can provide a service at a lower rate, why wouldn't you want the NHS to save money - taxpayers money,at the end of the day - and do so?

By the same token, UK companies will have more open access to the US health market!

Much food is eaten where the source is not known. Schools, hospitals, restaurants, airlines etc. If you wish to eat meat that you know the source of then it rules out many of these places I suppose.

The source in the UK is producers who are supposed to conform to the EU standards which, if they come from outside the UK, have to be conformed with as part of our trade deals with them. We can eat our meat with confidence that it conforms to those standards and that, if any rogue producers are traced they can be sanctioned for nonconformity to the standards. The US are asking , no, demanding, that these standards to be dropped as part of any trade deal with them.

Will the penny never drop?

Those of us who can afford to will buy chicken labelled from a trusted source.

I'm sure you don't mean to sound smug, Ug, but this does come over rather badly...

You’re right of course MD but we have to vote for one of the snakes!

Being politically aware is a minefield. No wonder some people don’t bother and just say ‘they’re all the same’.

Walking round with a big daft grin on my face, not reading political articles or watching the news is tempting sometimes ....
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Someone said to me once the Tory party underfund it to demonstrate its not fit for purpose then private investors move in to show how it should be done .....

I said that on a thread only yesterday. Do you mean to say that I'm not the only person who recognises this fact?

I don’t trust any of them really. Politicians would sell their own grandmothers if it had personal gain.

Oh dear, Ug. Isn't the Blessed Nige a politician...? In at the trough with the best of them...

Much food is eaten where the source is not known. Schools, hospitals, restaurants, airlines etc. If you wish to eat meat that you know the source of then it rules out many of these places I suppose.

Those of us who can afford to will buy chicken labelled from a trusted source.

Eaters of Buckets of fried chicken probably don’t mind anyway. They eat it in Florida on holiday all the time without knowing probably.

Just on the tv now - Trump says he understands the NHS is not up for part of a trade deal. In the short term, okay. Long term? He won’t always be POTUS. That said surely it’ll be up to our crack team of negotiators to say ‘on yer bike’!

Reality? It’s creaking. Someone said to me once the Tory party underfund it to demonstrate its not fit for purpose then private investors move in to show how it should be done .....

I don’t trust any of them really. Politicians would sell their own grandmothers if it had personal gain.

As someone said upthread, look at the wheeze Labour brought in with PFI. It is still costing the country a fortune in repayments, even now.

Don't be ridiculous, gilly. They were on an anti-Trump demonstration. There will have been people of all shades of political opinion there because Trump violates all sorts of people's principles. Had I lived closer to London I think I would have been there.

I have seen the video of that dreadful woman. I hope she is arrested and prosecuted for hate speech. Apologising on facebook is meaningless.

Also since when did not being left wing make anyone “Nazi Scum” ?

Since you let your imagination run away with you gilly

I use to go on protest marches, they were always carried out
with dignity

Protesters do tend to be left-wing !!
___________running for cover.

They were there to see the messiah MazieD which is a bit of a give away . Also since when did not being left wing make anyone “Nazi Scum” ?

Gillybob, I've worked for years in the NHS and it was just latterly that I'd noticed bullying creeping in and sadly it was reported in our local rag that bullying is rife in our hospital and the powers that be are trying to clamp down on it. One nurse wrote in that she dreaded going to work and was tearful. This is just lately.
The militancy among some staff is explosive, they'd strike at the drop of a hat.

She should have been arrested along with plenty other left wing loonies

Why are you making the assumption, gilly, that the anti-Trump protestors were leftwing?

The problem with the chlorinated chicken, JenniferE has nothing at all to do with the actual chlorine. Chlorine is a commonly used anti bacterial agent which, as far as I'm aware, is non toxic and we've most of us been ingesting for years (particularly if you go swimming in public swimming pools)

The problem is that the chickens are reared and processed in very poor sanitary conditions (which would violate all the standards we currently adhere to) and the chlorine washing is an attempt to destroy the toxic bacteria they inevitably contain. The US rate of salmonella food poisoning per head is far in excess of the UK rate. Go figure, eh?

So, not only a higher risk of poisoning, but also a potential loss for producers of our more expensive, produced to higher standards, chicken and, once we've lost the NHS, the prospect of it costing a fortune for medical treatment...

Nothing to worry about at all, really...

I don’t actually think there are EllanVannin strange comment (or was it a poor crack at sarcasm? )

The point is I wondered earlier what some of these people do for a living ? And this particularly vile bully does happen to work for the NHS, fact .

Well then along with the chlorinated chickens planned for Portsmouth today, there should also be chlorinated bagged salads as we have had those here for years with no-one getting in a lather over them!

There are a lot of bullies in the NHS !! Shameful.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7105031/Trump-supporter-doused-milkshake-protesters-campaigning-protect-democracy.html

Apparently she has apologised via twitter. She should have been arrested along with plenty other left wing loonies !

Well it would seem that the vile woman shown on TV news bullying an older guy, shouting “Nazie Scum” in his face has been revealed as an NHS worker . She should be locked up. Poor guy must’ve been terrified.

If you have to take your children with you then I think as long as it's a peaceful march/protest then fine. Can't all have babysitters and it's important to give your support to whatever your cause is.
Some folk are so active. I think that's to be admired.

the only problem we have on Independence marches are from Unionists who come alongto cause trouble,Saturday had them throwing screws under the wheels of the Bikers for Independence at the Glasgow march they were pulling flags off motorcyles almost causing accidents ,we've had clowns burning Saltires and assualting young women ...I'm very proud to say the Indy supporters have NEVER retaliated and we have aclean record .
I also march for local causes,our hospital which is undr threat of closure .Its important to stand up and be counted .Of course you could just sit on your bum and pretend you dont know whats going on ,its not my way

As I recall, the protests about the Ripper were called "Reclaim the Night".

I went on the Poll Tax March.
It was very peaceful until some idiot set the flag alight in Trafalgar Square and everything kicked off. That was definitely down to Rentamob.

We had a "Rec;aim the streets march here last year. It's about making streets safe for women and everyone. So reclaiming them from violence and crime and making them safe places,

Actually, having watched the rest of the programme, which featured the stories of various young men from Dorset and Hampshire who had lost their lives in the D-Day landings, protesting chickens suddenly did not seem funny any more.
Neither the time nor the place.

Corbyn has not made the step up from protester to statesman.
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I have just watched some dancing chlorinated chickens practising in Portsmouth for a protest tomorrow.

Well, at least that is original and faintly amusing.

Gillybob, my DD and her twins went on a recent People’s Vote march. This was her first march and she went on it as she felt so strongly about it for her children’s future. Neither she, nor the friends she met up with, are professional objectors though all work in the professions and are professional to a tee in their work. She took a day’s annual leave. The children enjoyed it, all the adults helped keep an eye on them. From what she said her group were representative of the large majority of the people on the march.