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Labour wins Peterborough

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GracesGranMK3 Fri 07-Jun-19 07:43:15

I had missed the headlines when I switch on the radio this morning but there they were interviewing the man of the past again - Nigel Farage. To find out what had happened I had to go on-line.

I do think the BBC have been overwhelmed by the snake oil selling of Brexit. Yesterday I watched more of the anniversary of D Day and couldn't help but wonder why about a third of our country - those who actually voted to leave the EU - are so unpatriotic and backward looking.

Anniebach Mon 17-Jun-19 11:14:19

Hope it is solved quickly, I feel sorry for the people working in the polling station

trisher Mon 17-Jun-19 11:03:30

GrannyGravy13 I agree but the volunteers from Democracy reported seeing photos being taken and although I realise they are there as observers I still think anyone observing someone breaking the law should report this to the presiding officer. But I was thinking about it and I remember when every polling station had a police man at the door, possibly a police presence would stop people breaking the law and make the presiding officer more confident about intervening.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:59:39

trisher as we enter the "polling booth" alone, it would be easy to take a photo with a smartphone, no flash needed.

lemongrove Mon 17-Jun-19 10:58:42

Absolutely WadesNan and I hope it will be done.

WadesNan Mon 17-Jun-19 10:53:57

I don't think this is "gossip" or pressure from the media. If there is sufficient doubt then an investigation is necessary, regardless of which party is involved. A free vote is the backbone of our democracy - it must be defended.

trisher Mon 17-Jun-19 10:51:15

But photography is restricted and photgraphing a ballot paper strictly prohibited at the polling station so I do wonder why no one reported the incidents to the presiding officer. There is a substantial fine for anyone revealing voting information.

trisher Mon 17-Jun-19 10:44:16

Firecracker could you please post a link or list the allegations Thanks

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jun-19 10:23:11

For payment Annie
If someone has promised to vote a certain way for money, the photo is proof.

What are we coming to?

Anniebach Mon 17-Jun-19 10:21:23

Why take a photograph of your voting paper ? To frame or to prove to others who you voted for , why ?

Firecracker123 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:19:46

Trisher the link you posted is old news the latest version of The Peterborough Telegraph are saying 5 electoral fraud allegations are being investigated.

Anniebach Mon 17-Jun-19 10:18:22

The man on the platform ? Not again ?

Callistemon Mon 17-Jun-19 10:13:16

I agree re postal voting, we have one because we are sometimes away at a DC's.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Jun-19 10:11:30

We had a postal vote this time, and I was amazed how easy it was to get one!

I am in favour of having to show ID in order to vote, it would stop a lot of the suspicion around elections.

trisher Mon 17-Jun-19 10:08:31

The best analysis of what happened is on the local paper
www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/authorities-insist-no-evidence-of-electoral-fraud-in-the-peterborough-by-election-as-police-investigate-allegations-1-8959871
Democracy Volunteers witnessed photography but had no evidence about postal voting.
The man convicted of vote rigging was not an invited guest but on the platform as a member of the public (which anyone can do).
I don't like the Conservative council member's idea that only the disabled should get postal votes. I have one because I am at my son's child minding on a Thursday and I wouldn't get to the church hall in time to vote. There must be many people who work away from home or work shifts who need a postal vote.

Callistemon Mon 17-Jun-19 10:08:09

Anniebach it would take a much more convoluted brain than mine to understand Corbyn grin

Anniebach Mon 17-Jun-19 10:01:39

Callistemon you need to understand Corbyn, he said he had never met an IRA member, when reminded he had shared a platform with an IRA member, Diane Abbott explained ‘Jeremy did sit with him but he didn’t speak to him’ ?

GracesGranMK3 Mon 17-Jun-19 09:56:30

Callistemon, of course the police act if they come under media pressure whether it's on gossip or evidence-based. The really good thing is that they are acting. If something is wrong the law needs to deal with it.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 17-Jun-19 09:47:49

So! I doesn't stop "There are none so blind ... " being the sort of thing people chime out when they don't have an answer, UG.

Callistemon Mon 17-Jun-19 09:43:58

M0nica it is a fact that the police are now investigating suspected manipulation of the bi-election.
I do not think that the police act on gossip.
The police will investigate if there is sufficient suspicion.

Whatever the outcome it was extremely foolish for the LP to allow a convicted vote-rigger to play such a prominent role in what was, in any case, a controversial bi-election.
It was especially foolish of Corbyn to allow this man to share a platform with him and the newly elected MP.

Urmstongran Mon 17-Jun-19 09:28:04

You come over as quite pompous GracesGran!

GracesGranMK3 Mon 17-Jun-19 00:11:55

Don't make such silly remarks as the "none so blind" one M0nica or I think you will find you are not taken seriously. I do not make decisions on gossip. In what way is this, as yet, any more than that? When you evidence this - as you think it is so important others believe it - I will listen and decide. Personally, I abhor gossip and think very little of those who spread it. It is vicious and often destroys the good and let's those who are guilty off the hook because people cease to believe those who constantly use it.

M0nica Sun 16-Jun-19 23:25:08

I am in agreement with GabriellaG54 here, the evidence is considerably stronger than 'gossip'.

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

GracesGranMK3 Sun 16-Jun-19 22:03:44

^But I think that Labour have been unconscionably careless in their approach to this byelection, considering what caused it.

I think you will know as well as I do M0nica, that if someone wants to cause trouble they will cause it whatever the LP or any other party do. When I have evidence that the LP, or any other party, have done something wrong then it will be worth looking at. Until then it is gossip as far as I am concerned.

GabriellaG54 Sun 16-Jun-19 19:39:59

GracesGranMK3
I was repeating what had been printed in the media, which is 90% of the source GNers use.
I am not in a courtroom now and do not have to adhere to the same constraints.
Democracy volunteers (a totally impartial group as their name implies) were there and reported their observations to police and council officials.
You may like to read the purported 'facts' in the article mentioned in attached photo.
There was nothing venomous in my post. I don't really give a fig as long as we leave.

GabriellaG54 Sun 16-Jun-19 19:29:28

GillT57
No, you exaggerate.
I couldn't care less. I was simply repeating (albeit not verbatim) what the press were saying re the Democracy volunteers and what they saw with their own eyes and reported to police and council officials as reported in the Telegraph.
There is also an in depth assessment of the events as they happened in the article shown in the attached photo if you want to Google it.