Blood on their hands

No, it's perfectly acceptable to lump all lefties together. Milkshake throwing, Jo Brand loving, rude people. Obviously.

Could someone please tell me what Jo Brands milk/acid comment has to do with the post.
I think it's a big assumption to say that the type of people who find her funny would be discourteous to disabled people.

an interesting connection to make, stroppy disabled people must find Jo Brand's comment funny.....ah well.

Or possibly the type of person who condones Jo Brand's style of 'comedy

Or possibly not Easybee.

I’m not sure if the petition will work, but the thanks are sincere

Francesca Martinez
@chessmartinez

Thanks so much for the overwhelming response to my austerity comments on Question Time.
I'm touched and humbled by the thousands of messages.
We need change and fast.
Please sign this petition asking for a govt inquiry into deaths caused by the DWP:

Petition: Justice for Jodey Whiting. Independent inquiry into deaths linked to the DWP
We believe the death of Jodey Whiting in February 2017 was the latest avoidable tragedy to be caused by the failings of the Department for Work and Pensions. She took her life 15 days after her...
petition.parliament.uk

Callistemon thank you I am off to “google”

I put on a link, GrannyGravy, to Fullfact, which gives a balanced view.

Whilst that figure is appalling I would like to see comparison figures from when the Labour Party has been in power.

Conservative voters, activists and local councillors are not without “empathy”, but I for one could never vote for Labour or Liberal Democrat’s.

Lemonwhat I actually said was that the culture of discrimination permeated from the top down into society and if you voted Tory you should be aware of this and think about what sort of a society you wanted. That isn't the same as saying everyone who voted Tory discriminates. I'm sure there are people who were convinced by the Tory propaganda that ony austerity would do. Perhaps on seeing the results of their voting they may change their minds.
As for governments failing 130,000 deaths is a terrible fail.

Thank you for posting this Trisher. Everyone in power should listen to that speech.

On holiday with the grandchildren, we went into a theatre where seats were not pre-booked.
Post-op for broken hip, I was still using a walking stick. We were approached by a young usher who immediately took us to some excellent seats.
DGS was so impressed that he said my walking stick must be like Harry Potter's wand as we had the best seats in the theatre!!
Not in UK but in Paris.
However, at home I was always treated with courtesy and consideration.
(Was bloomin' glad to get rid of the stick but the experience made me more aware of folk who might need a hand.)

trisher there are some good points on this thread but I don't think that you can state categorically that people who vote Tory are the people who treat wheelchair users with a lack of consideration - I think that that is an assumption on your part.
People from all walks of life, all voting tendencies, treat others with consideration, others from all walks of life, all viting tendencies, are rude and inconsiderate.

I think that was well worth saying, lemongrove - speak as you find.

Why I feel I have to say such a thing? What thing in particular?
Is it the above comment that my friend has had help from both Labour and Conservative governments? Surely you started this thread because of what a disabled comedian said on QT?
We should expect help from governments, and plenty do receive help and we should expect good considerate behaviour from the able bodied towards the disabled and plenty do receive exactly that.There will always sadly be cases where bureaucracy fails and good manners and consideration fail too.Everyone.....both governments and people in the street could do better.

I should hope so lemon but I wonder why you feel you have to say such a thing. Surely it's something we shoulld expect for everyone. Sadly there are many who don't get the help they need and some even die because they don't.

Incidentally, my friend has had a lot of help, both financial and otherwise (and still does) from both Labour and Conservative governments over the last 15 years.

trisher my comments were actually meant for WWM2and I inadvertently typed your username ( with you being the OP) there was no ‘ire’ that I can see, in fact I was sympathising with the DIL having bad experiences( on the cruise.)Having a severely disabled friend I know that life as a wheelchair user is not easy, and very reliant on people being helpful, which they often are.

I have used a stick for a long time - I have never encountered anything but kindness and courtesy,

That was a very moving post pinkquartz

I am a constant wheelchair user for almost 30 years and in that time I have learnt that while many people are thoughtful very many are not.
My most frequent gripe is in the supermarket, a person or persons will stand in front of me and wait for me to get out of their way when the only way would be to move sideways and wheelchairs don't move sideways.
this also applies on busy pavements. I move along slowly and carefully only to be faced with a small group/family who then wait for me to get out of their way.
Not sure why is happens other than absolute lack of knowledge and imagination that I can't move sideways in a wheelchair and backing up is also dodgy.
They are able bodied it is up to them to stand to the side which is what has to happen in the end.

As many building are not accessible I have had to sit outside the bank and wait for a passerby to call out an assistant, it made me feel really crap. Now I do my banking online.
Also I have been left outside on the pavement when the grandchildren need food and drinks and we can't find anywhere I can get into with a wheelchair.

Life as a disabled person does have it's own slant. I saw that speech on Question Time and wanted to cry....she was right we live a very different life to the politicians who are making our lives much harsher.

It's not manners Drum1234 it is the very important belief that people in wheelchairs are not nuisances but have rights and deserve to have their needs met properly.
It links in to the thread because the people who support this government treat individuals with exactly the same lack of consideration this government treats all disadvantaged people. The results are more extreme but still cause the individual pain and upset.

My comment to G.

Sometimes I'm not very nice. Most of the time you are pretty objectionable.

Anyway too da loo......Mavis and Herbert are here and we are playing a rubber of bridge. Twiglets and sherry on the go. what fun we have in Basildon.

This thread is about a very powerful speech on the deaths of disabled people caused by austerity, and it has already descended into a playground spat about, of all things, manners. For God's sake, some of you really need to grow up.

I'm not the one who thinks people in wheelchairs take up too much space and spoil their afternoon tea GabriellaG54 I know that it is difficult for people in wheelchairs to access many places and their lives are often very restricted. I know that they need to be at the front of a crowd or they see nothing. I know that carers are not always experts but often just family members trying to give their relative (or friend) a pleasant day out, and struggling to transfer them from a wheelchair, they sometimes find it difficult to manage, and that when they do they may just push the wheelchair away quickly. I also know that kind considerate members of the public don't mind stepping back, offer to move the wheelchair and ask if they can help. Thank goodness for such people.