Cry, our beloved country

There is an excellent article in the New Yorker magazine dated 13 June entitled "The Empty Promise of Boris Johnson" . An excellent read although rather long.

Some Brexit loons would rather be poodles of the US than equal members of the EU. Of course its divisive and depressing. BJ will do to the country what he has done to his wive(s) and mistress(es).

Whitewavemark2 Sun 16-Jun-19 15:47:40

That's true I agree with what you said You only hear about survival of Tory party not about any polices or can do for this country that's because they don't have any.

The really sad thing throughout this summer is that it is all about survival of the Tory party and nothing about what is good for the country..
We elicited an extension from Brussels “don’t waste it”they said. I could cry.

Whatever problems other countries have none have the total disgust and despair of the majority of the public beleiving that the whole system is failing with no one in political life anywhere near being capable of leading the country.

Many feel as I do - that we are looking into the abyss. This from someone who is usually a little Pollyanna, awlays convinced that we will muddle through and looking back to show where this happened, but now. We will soon find ourselves grouped with countries like Libya, Somalia and other small desperately poor countries who cannot sustain a body politic. But we are not small, nor desperately poor. How did this happen?

Yes Bluebelle I’d often wondered the same and thought surely thinking people couldn’t be hood winked just by clever rhetoric? It’s worrying that today’s rhetoric, sometimes not even that clever, can lure those who think and those who don’t, into attitudes and ideologies which take us who knows where. I guess if fertile soil is well enough prepared almost anything will grow and flourish.

It all terrifies me it’s a country I no longer recognise We have gone so far back to when I remember the dreadful Enoch Powel and is oswold Moseley giving speeches to divide the country I always used to wonder how the Germans as a country could be fooled by the monster Hitler but I can see it so clear as day now and how easy it is to rev the troops into the far right hate filled direction
No we aren’t the only ones I was listening to a programme from Finland today and heard many of the same stories exactly that are wheeled out here

I have stopped watching and listening to too much political wrangling.

Frankly, I think the country is going to hell in a handcart.

I believe that although the country is in a very difficult position and there are deep and dangerous divisions within the population, there are also many signs to be witnessed of how this nation can "pull together" when much is at stake.

I have stated in other threads of how the Brexit situation has brought about much extra work in our company. That work has come about due to the stockpiling that many businesses have had to engage in as they fear that "Just In Time delivery schedules" (JIT) will be disrupted if a Customs Agreement cannot be negotiated with the European Union.

Many companies have hired extra warehousing to accommodate the above, and our Business has been involved in any number of those operations by way of setting up the Safety regimes for those additional procedures.

In the above, those of us that have been on those various sites have never ceased to be impressed by the outstanding level of ingenuity and cooperation demonstrated by those working to set up those facilities often with little planning or advanced knowledge of what is required.

There have been numerous cases of companies sharing that extra warehousing with other businesses even when they have no previous history of working together. The foregoing has been I feel a wonderful demonstration of the British People at their best, but also aided countless times by EU nationals who have come to work in this country.

For us working as ancillary to those persons and operations, it has often been a real privilege and pleasure to be part of that working environment. However, as has frequently been pointed out to us, these setups can only be a temporary holding situation, and a great deal of competitive performance throughout many British Industries will be lost if no Customs Agreement is at hand on the United Kindom Leaving the European Union.

Yes Maw that was the irony wasn’t it - he hated his middle class background, but made beautiful things that only the rich could afford to buy.

BJ will be a Tory sticking plaster on the Brexit wound, inflicted on the Country, in order to stop the rise of the Brexit Party and Lib Dems. He will fail and either accept the May deal or threaten no deal which will close this Government down. A GE wll probably be the next big thing with Brexit on hold.

Apologies for missing that.
Morris had wonderful ideals, but his insistence on craft and making by hand of course priced his products way beyond the means of all but the rich.
Perhaps his privileged background blinkered his vision .

There were violent gangs in Manchester and Salford too.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/light-relief/offbeat/manchesters-scuttlers-violent-street-gang-pre-dated-peaky-blinders/amp/

Have I missed something?Who brought William Morris into it?

It was me, Maw. I expressed the view that perhaps things were more fraught in the 1880’s.
pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/sr196/nineham.htm

I don't ignore it WW. But I don't become "pessimistic" and "angry" about it. There are other things in daily life to think about.

This is a different type of division since the days of William Morris. It's a more dangerous and insidious one
Have I missed something?
Who brought William Morris into it?.

Allies in WW11?!!!! I think it was the other way round!!!! I seem to recall that Europe collapsed like a pack of cards, particularly the French! Without us, the Commonwealth, Russia and the Americans it would have been an extremely sorry story for Continental Europe!

You are clearly one of the small minority gonegirl congratulations on your ability to ignore it all.

I think we've probably got too much internet. That could account for silly surveys like this. 2,000 people in London and Leicester! How about the rest of us?

Europe was friendly to us in WW2 without the EU existing. I am sure they would be again in the event of conflict. No reason to suppose otherwise.

They didn't ask me! I think we're a darn sight better off than we were a hundred years ago.

Unity, if there was ever such a thing as another war, is a vital ingredient to have between countries so this division/hostility has to stop ! Both in this country as well as the present EU. Scrap Brexit altogether and be done with and leave things as they were.

So if Iran, Russia and China decide to raise a hand to war, will Europe be as friendly towards us as allies as they were in WWII ?
Or will it be a case of Europe saying that we didn't want a union with them so " you're on your own ?"

One thing I wouldn't do is vote for a woman who held the post as defence secretary !

This is a different type of division since the days of William Morris. It's a more dangerous and insidious one.