Cry, our beloved country

Class divisions, political divisions it has always been that way but I think there was a feeling after World War 11 that the inequalities could be ironed out a bit. That generation of MPs was more mixed had done war service. This has turned out not to be true and we have had our eyes opened.

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I do agree with most of what has been said by previous posters but other countries too have deep divides between classes and the rich/poor plus political allegiances. France has turmoil on the streets, Politics in Germany are rocky, Greece went into meltdown, Spain hasn't been a beacon of hope and there are many other instances around the world.
Yes, Brexit adds to our woes and I blame the wholly unedifying scenes of verbal in-fighting in the HoC and the tug-o-war of those idiots trying to derail a majority vote to leave.
Never mind saying that it was a 1.33m difference. It was and is a significant number.
I hope that we, the public, can shake off the shackles of argument and division and make this thing work gor all our sakes...unless you want to prop up failing EU member states ad infinitum and let the EU gravy train rumble on without ever being called to account.

I think the country was more divided in the past. In the 1880’s William Morris and others were advocating violent overthrow of the ruling classes. As far as I know, Momentum hasn’t gone quite that far, though perhaps these days the danger is more from the far right.

That’s not to say I’m not worried about the situation now.
But both Kenneth Clarke and Dominic Grieve have said they would bring down any government that tried to deliver a no-deal Brexit without the approval of Parliament.
There are still some people of integrity in politics but unless people actually vote for them the future is grim indeed.

I despair at the lack of " multi-tasking " that any of the politicians have proved that they can't master.
These years wasted on this idiotic idea of severing ties with the EU has kept them solidly within the confines of a sheltered life in Westminster---------away from the turmoils that are going on outside of their bubble, where a country is slowly crumbling in every way.
No Minister or PM has bothered to venture out to their constituencies or their specific fields of interest to oversee how things are running.
Health---Jeremy Hunt ( shambles )
Prisons/crime------Rory Stewart ( increased crime/murder )
DWP/Pensions---Justin Tomlinson ? ( another shambles )

So the list goes on, is Penny Mordaunt still the secretary of state for defence ? God help us if Iran hots up its grievances !

They're all as much use as an ashtray on a motor-bike !

I’m not sure it’s really something new. Maybe we were united during the world wars but I remember division and anger in my adult lifetime - over cruise missiles, the Iraq war, during the apartheid years and plenty more.
Maybe with Brexit it’s worse - but life has often felt unfair with massive gaps between the “haves” and “have nots”.

The worst thing from my point of view is the fact that such pathetic apologies for politicians seem to have crawled their way to the top of the pile

The worst thing? I'm not so sure - I think the worst thing is what is at the bottom of that pile. And it'll be their votes in the HoC that will count.

Sadly I think its all to true and too depressing - even the sky cant stop crying.

It is indeed rather depressing. The worst thing from my point of view is the fact that such pathetic apologies for politicians seem to have crawled their way to the top of the pile.

I have no means of beginning to understand how it is that anyone of sane mind could vote for BJ as PM - it is beyond credence.

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I used to think that the UK was a shining beacon of democracy and civility in a crazy, troubled world. That was probably a naive view, judging by the history of the last 70 years.
Now we seem to be no different than so many other countries in Europe and beyond and I think we are in danger of being introverted, so engrossed in the fallout from the referendum, the political infighting, that we are failing to take notice of much that is happening in the rest of the world.

In the meantime, Assad is still bombing his people.
Did anyone know?
Does anyone care?

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I despair at the thought of Boris Johnson as prime minister, I find it almost impossible to imagine such an untrustworthy, lying, joke to run our country

But I think it goes much deeper than that, as a lifelong Tory, I now think they are rotten to the core and will never vote for them again, Jeremy Corbyn is also a joke, who else?

I agree, we all seem to have lost faith in the political system in this country

The person on the street has lost faith in the UK political system as it stands and rightly so it would seem. As Maw said several other countries have similar problems but without the added complication of Brexit. I can't see anyone who is currently in the running for Leader of the Tories having the statesmanship to pull things together.

maw could be to a degree but they haven’t got Brexit it tearing them apart.

Yes, yes, yes.
How did we get like this? But is it uniquely in the UK or have our woes blinded us to a similar Zeitgeist elsewhere in Europe and further afield? (rhetorical question perhaps)

next PM unfit for the job