Let’s stop pretending the referendum was illegal eh?

This, exactly.

She didn't explain why politicians voted for something that they clearly, fundamentally disagreed with!

At the time Parliament voted to invoke A50 the revelations about the Leave Campaigns' illegalities and the involvement of Cambridge Analytica with their use of illegally harvested facebook data had not been made. I think that Parliament voted for A50 in good faith at the time. 'Respecting' the result.

The fact that the government subsequently knew that the result was unsafe because of the corruption and illegalities (as May's Counsel made clear last year) yet pressed on regardless, when they really could have halted the process to at least allow for an enquiry, was, IMO, grossly irresponsible.

The referendum question was not explicit so people did not understand exactly what they were voting for. Not everybody is an economist.

No one is saying that you must move out - I certainly haven't.

We have been in our large family home for 31 years, why should we move out?

We need all our bedrooms for when the GC come for frequent sleepovers, for when other friends and relatives come to stay for a week/end.

And - why should people move from the home they love and from the area where they feel settled?

I presume under a Labour Government we will be forced out by their new proposals anyway.

Another reason is the baby boomers who live in their large family homes rather than downsizing when they no longer needed the large house. This has prevented younger families from moving up the ladder and so they have extended their homes
Dinahmo that is what we did with our barely affordable London home but, on selling, we were able to buy a 'large family home' elsewhere. If there was anything suitable for our needs now we would downsize. But there is not.

Some LAs are selling houses for £1 and loaning money for renovations so that young people can get on the housing ladder - it is still possible in some areas and has been so for the past 10 years too.

Unfortunately John Prescott and Yvette Cooper demolished many perfectly good family homes, some lovingly renovated, under the Pathfinder scheme, against the will of the owners.
moneyweek.com/3526/how-john-prescott-wasted-22bn/
what a wasted opportunity.

The question we were asked was:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

I voted to leave. That was the type of Brexit I wanted.

Of course, you ask a simple question, and remainers want to give a complicated response.

She didn't explain why politicians voted for something that they clearly, fundamentally disagreed with! Why would you do that?!

All is not well - for sure.

Maizie explained, a few posts back.

So why didn't MP's challenge it? Why did they overwhelmingly sign up up for article 50?! Why did the two main parties go into a GE on the promise of delivering brexit? Perhaps they didn't understand what they were signing up for? Like us dim old brexiteers!!! Had it been the other way round, would it still have been illegal etc etc? I doubt it very much, any objections would have been firmly squashed, the small majority would have been just fine, any lies, manipulation or dastardly deeds glossed over, and all would have been well!!

Which particular Brexit did you vote for Kapitan and Jabber- there is a whole selection out there, from Mrs May's Deal and No Deal (which was NEVER on the cards during the campaign- as we were promised a great deal, the best deal, the easiest deal, the 'we hold all the cards and they need us mor than we need them deal', etc, etc.)

Kapitan. ???

Exactly Maizie - they and we were all conned

Our own Sovereign Laws state that a Referendum is, and can only ever be, other than Advisory. Not even the PM can ignore our own Laws, and go against them.

Your comment just shows how little you understand about the realities of Brexit- doh

Every time I look at gransnet I read the comments of the same moaning old Europhile grannies going on about illegal referendum this and illegal referendum that. The fact is, Brexit is coming whether you like it or not, and if the latter I shall happily wave to you at the airport as you fly off to Spain or France or Italy or wherever else in your European Nirvana you choose to spend your last days.

Back in Nov 2015 at the Chatham House speech DC made the terms of the referendum perfectly plain. Surely between then and June 2016 Parliament might just have thought, or even mentioned that these terms were actually not legal and therefore not his to promise? But MP's on all sides appeared to notice, let alone challenge!

When did parliament 'endorse' those promises?

They voted for an advisory referendum. They were assured before voting that it was advisory. They did not vote to 'honour the result'. That was Cameron's own idea and made after the Act had been passed. By then it was too late for parliament to do anything about it. Nor could they alter the leaflet.

D.C may not have had the authority to make the announcements he did, so why on earth did Parliament endorse each and every one of these promises all of which were made perfectly clear on the run up to the referendum including in the government leaflet delivered to every household in the land, none of which were challenged by other M.P's? I too believed what DC said, why would I not, as M.P's were apparently perfectly content, what was there not to believe?! D.C was not the only one who misled!

And me.

In fact I’m beginning to get quite panicky listening to Johnson plans. 100 day war cabinet etc. ??

Good post, Ginny42. It says a lot of what I feel.

We are a nation divided now and no amount of saying we should pull together is going to put it right. I will never accept Brexit in my head or my heart. It doesn't make sense. For selfish reasons I wanted to remain a European to feel at one with my DGS who is a European, but for the good of the nation I also wanted to remain in the EU to continue to thrive as we have done for all those years. Cannot for the life of me grasp why we would want to destroy what we had with the largest market for our exports and take this quantom leap into the unknown with the WTO.

I'm afraid I'm unable to 'pull together ' to make Brexit work. My heart isn't in it. How on earth does an individual do that anyway? If I stop whinging and start 'believing', what difference can that possibly make to the thousands who have lost/will lose their jobs? To those who are already merely existing at the bottom of the ladder unable to claw their way up?

The nation seems more divided now than 3 years ago, although I read this morning that Mr Johnson thinks Brexit is going to bring the nation together. As usual he doesn't explain how.

Britain is broken. The Tories in their arrogance continue to put the party before the nation's good. I agree with Davidhs, a GE seems the only way to break this impasse before it's too late.

The referendum was highly doubtful in its legality and dodgy dealing and dirty tricks is normal in politics, which is all irrelevant now.
3 yrs on, everyone I speak to would vote exactly the same way, there is no doubt that the pros and cons have been expounded ad nauseam to no effect whatsoever. I don’t see any end to this short of a GE with all its own uncertainties.

But did us Joe Soaps know any different?
This one didn’t

Ignorance is no defence in law, Ug. Cameron exceeded his constitutional powers in making that promise.

I find it extraordinary that people are willing to proclaim that all politicians lie, until the politician says something that they want to believe..

In any case, the rule of law is fundamental to our constitution. A political 'promise' should not override the result of a vote corrupted by gross illegalities.

No, obviously he shouldn’t be above the law.
But as our PM he promised things he ought not to have done.
But did us Joe Soaps know any different?
This one didn’t.