Tommy Robinson

Grannygravy didn't realise the tweet was a hoax. (Some of us aren't so young as some on here these days)

What was a simple mistake Gonegirl? I don’t think posting supposed information on here more than once without engaging brain first is a simple mistake. I think it’s utterly bonkers. We should be more careful.

Alright susiewoozie. It was a simple mistake. Leave off now.

The Jewish Chronicle thinks he’s a racist - probably because he is

www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/manchester-jewish-representative-council-condemns-openly-racist-tommy-robinson-1.484699

GrannyGravy - I didn’t see your response re her Wiki Page or blue tick Twitter address or if the image you posted was one you took yourself from an original. It’s beyond any question that the Twitter account was fake and her Wiki Page ( which I linked to) was nothing like the image you posted. I’m surprised that you ever thought she would post a tweet like that - I take it you know her work?

Jura2
Islam is a religion not a race so the termracistcannot be used. Many races are Muslim even white caucasians.

I have no truck with Robinson either, but Piers Stefan O'Meara pulling him up over changing his name is just priceless! What a hypocrite.
And typical of Piers Morgan O'Meara

jura that is a good post. It explains it really well.

www.huffpost.com/entry/muslims-are-not-a-race_b_8591660?guccounter=1

I do believe a shift has taken place:

'According to Hall, there is a new type of racism — “cultural racism,” which is my focus here. Racism is no longer about race (skin color) but culture. People are Othered and discriminated against not (simply) because of the color of their skin (or other phenotypes) but because of their beliefs and practices associated with some “imagined culture.”

Cultural racism, therefore, happens when certain people perceive their beliefs and customs as being culturally superior to the beliefs and customs of other groups of people. Cultural racism, in-turn, reproduces the idea of “the hierarchy of cultures,” meaning, in the context of current affairs, that “our” Western culture is superior to “their” Islamic culture. This way of thinking is problematic because it essentializes diverse classifications like “Westerners” and “Muslims.” It creates a binary of “Western = civilized” and “Islamic = uncivilized.”'

But is it, jura? Islam isn't a 'race'.

Not that antiIslamism is any less wrong than antisemitism. They are both hateful.

Being Islamophobe, or antisemitic- is racist, by definition.

suziewoozie if you are referring to me I answered your queries.

Lessismore
Ha ha not funny ?
Another one who resorts to personal jibes rather than participating in reasoned debate.

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suziewoozie
My current research shows that he is not racist he and his former allegiance (the EDL), are anti Islam (academic papers included); He and they have issues with the failure to assimilate and radical ideology of some. They are keen to show that other ethnicities, cultures and religions have assimilated. Whether he or they are right or wrong is debatable along with wether or not it should be addressed. I suppose those who live in the parallel communities have more insight.
Calling him an Islamaphobe is more appropriate than vile racist.

You admitted yourself Joel that you knew nothing really about him at the start of this thread. Do not assume that your lack of knowledge is shared. I have been aware and well informed about him for years as have many others on this thread. On the basis of a whole plethora of facts over the years I have a well informed view of him that is not based on prejudice. I am not a ‘racist warrior’ whatever that means. Where is your evidence when you say that posters are expressing disdain without understanding why they should because others do. Have you any idea how patronising that sounds? My opinion that he is a vile racist thug is 100% correct and then some - I hope very much he’ll soon be off our streets for a while. And by the way, the accusation he posted about the Syrian refugee boy - he has admitted already that he was ‘duped’ by someone posting false information on Facebook which he then repeated without checking - just like one of the posters on here who funnily enough hasn’t been back to me on that.

Forget it JN, I'm not playing. The actions of that man nearly ruined the work of many honourable people and almost resulted in more betrayal for the victims.

Surely that is enough ?

I think his rhetoric of hate and abuse does it for me.

Because he quite simply, is.

Lessismore
But that incident was only recently. He has been considered vile for quite a while.
Is stupidity a reason to be considered vile?

Eloethan
But some have committed graver crimes.
However, yes he is a crim.

I find him vile because his stupidity nearly meant that abused women/girls would be once more let down.

No I do not support SYL.
But what I have seen on here is prejudice that needs challenging.
There are comments made without substance.
There are those racist warriors who need to look at their own objectives, who are they supposedly protecting and why?
There are those who express disdain just because others do without understanding why they should.
There are those who only consider their opinions correct and cannot accept challenge.
If you look at at this thread from an analytical perspective there are many prejudices being displayed here.
Why do others find SYL vile?
Is it his criminal record?
Is it his stand against extreme Islam?
Is it his aggressive trait.?
Is it because he stands outside courts?
Is it because it makes you feel part of the crowd who also thinks he is vile because that makes you feel safe?

I find it interesting that just because I challenge some of the prejudices on this thread I am almost immediately referenced as racist and far right. This most evidently reveals some of the prejudicial states above.

joelsnan TR has been convicted of a variety of crimes on seven occasions, and has twice spent time in prison. I don't think any MP has that sort of record.