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Leaked e-mails and Farage as replacement?

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trisher Mon 08-Jul-19 10:22:21

The leaked e-mails from the British Ambassador criticising Trump have hit the headlines. There is some speculation that this is a put-up job and the aim is to get Nigel as the next Ambassador. Personally I can't think of anything more disastrous, or many people less suitable. No doubt him and Trump would be best mates but should that be the position of a British Ambassador? And can you think of anyone worse than Farage?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 07:49:22

I think they have elegran it’s the rest of the country that’s bringing about this disaster

Elegran Thu 11-Jul-19 07:45:12

The thinking of a potential dictator - everyone must agree with him. He's been taking lessons from Putin and Trump.

This is a democracy, not a one-party oligarchy led by a supremo. It is more British to say "anyone in UK government who doesn’t believe in freedom of thought and diversity of opinion should be removed." I don't know why the alarm bells haven't been ringing in the ears of every intelligent person in the country.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 05:25:03

This is the face of fascism

Anthony Gardner
@tonylgardner

Farage said that anyone in UK civil service or military who doesn’t believe in Brexit should be removed. My jaw dropped. This is outrageous. It is fascistic to apply a single issue to determine “loyalty” as if we were in a war of religion. Shame on him.

Eloethan Wed 10-Jul-19 21:48:07

Of course, Trump is such a courteous and refined gentleman that he wouldn't dream of making inappropriate and offensive remarks about anybody, so it's no wonder he was so upset.

Callistemon Wed 10-Jul-19 20:49:38

I don't think so varian (but what do I know)

The links in Whitewave's post were interesting.
Plus Boris having been Foreign Secretary
Plus Trump prefers that Boris becomes PM
hmm

varian Wed 10-Jul-19 19:57:32

Putin pulling strings again????

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jul-19 18:33:22

So
@BorisJohnson
happy to shaft
@KimDarroch
when it suited him then ‘reach out to him’ when it suddenly looks like a resignation might damage him. Leaders without moral compass get found out very quickly.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Jul-19 18:28:03

The leaked communications range over the last two years. So yes Boris would almost certainly have known of at least the ‘tone’ of them and certainly have been aware of Sir Kim’s views on Trump. I hadn’t thought of that - interesting point Call.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jul-19 18:24:11

Darroch resignation is explosive

Sir Alan Duncan, a foreign office minister and Hunt backer, tells BBC:

‘Boris Johnson has basically thrown our ambassador under a bus’

He says the way Boris treated Sir Kim , by refusing to guarantee his future, is ‘contemptible’

Callistemon Wed 10-Jul-19 18:20:10

I still would ask just how secure these diptechs are, as hackers become ever more sophisticated.

Your post shows just who could benefit, Wwm2
The leaked emails are not just recent, apparently over two years and who was Foreign Secretary until 2018?

suziewoozie Wed 10-Jul-19 18:16:22

I don’t think she has any judgement at all - as for doing anything in the national interest theres only one interest she acts in. The Cameron/pig’s head story was typical of her and I think in the end she had to almost admit that she’d no evidence for it. But even if she had, so what?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jul-19 18:11:29

How did Oakshott arrive at the decision that to report this was in the national interest?

I seriously question her judgement.

Has anyone seen the spider graph linking her to Farage, Bannon. Trump, Banks, and Johnson amongst others?

Elegran Wed 10-Jul-19 18:01:59

"The British Ambassador to Washington reported the widely accepted fact that the Trump White House is dysfunctional and incompetent. He would have been derelict in his duty had he not reported that to the government of one of the US’ closest allies.

It is, for example, vital that the defence secretary knows this if he is approached to join the US in a foreign adventure, or for the trade secretary to be wary before we are forced to seek a new trading relationship after Brexit.

As John Crace tweeted about the Darroch affair: “Not quite sure why UK ambassador to US passing on accurate confidential information to his employers is a story. Shouldn’t Mail on Sunday be more horrified that someone leaked this to @IsabelOakeshott.”

greenworld.org.uk/article/darroch-leak-uk-democracy-peril?fbclid=IwAR1Rkj0TnHfCA1UMY3q_evLFoRvmb2nzbpHvxdRUmJLiehiEIVNKJHpnHn0 Darroch leak: UK democracy in peril.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jul-19 18:01:50

This idiot thinks ambassadors deal in trade deals

Richard Tice
@TiceRichard

Darroch has finally made the right decision. The Tory Govt look ridiculous for having tried to defend the indefensible. Now it’s time for a pro Brexit businessman to be appointed who can lead a quick US trade deal.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jul-19 17:49:47

Sir Trump??????

suziewoozie Wed 10-Jul-19 17:47:31

I wonder if she’ll recommend him for a peerage in her resignation honours list? (Sir Kim that is not Trump)

Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Jul-19 17:21:50

Let’s hope May changes the habit of a life time and acts outside her little box. She could appoint another ambassador of her choosing.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Jul-19 17:14:45

Urm ??

Urmstongran Wed 10-Jul-19 16:32:54

Perhaps we should now send Olly Robbins out there instead and tell him ‘now go and do some good!’

Elegran Wed 10-Jul-19 16:14:10

And saying that it is difficult to predict the outcome of any issue does not state clearly that the unpredictability is rooted in Trump himself.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Jul-19 16:06:38

Sorry meant to say inept does not equal ‘does not always react in the way previous presidents have’. That was pretty inept of me ?

suziewoozie Wed 10-Jul-19 16:04:10

David inept does no equal ‘difficult to predict the outcome of any issue ‘. It means clumsy, showing or having no skill, incompetent, inexpert, crude - or in undiplomatic language bloody useless. Given what we know of Trump, I think Sir K was very restrained.

Urmstongran Wed 10-Jul-19 15:58:34

It’s all about finding the leaker now.

Kim Darroch was doing what his government was paying him to do.

However (not his fault) someone read his reports & leaked them. This made his position untenable.

Elegran Wed 10-Jul-19 15:45:13

Diplomatic language is for diplomatic exchanges. Reports to senior bosses are bald fact, stated as clearly as possible. The ambassador is not a green beginner, he has been sending these reports all his diplomatic life. We haven't seen his previous ones, but presumably they were just as robust.

He has a right to trust those who have access to his securte corespondence.

Jane10 Wed 10-Jul-19 15:43:05

Perfectly summed up Elegran