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Leaked e-mails and Farage as replacement?

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trisher Mon 08-Jul-19 10:22:21

The leaked e-mails from the British Ambassador criticising Trump have hit the headlines. There is some speculation that this is a put-up job and the aim is to get Nigel as the next Ambassador. Personally I can't think of anything more disastrous, or many people less suitable. No doubt him and Trump would be best mates but should that be the position of a British Ambassador? And can you think of anyone worse than Farage?

maddyone Mon 08-Jul-19 22:57:28

There is no way Nigel Farage could be replace the British Ambassador, he’s not suitable, he’s not trained, and anyway he already has a job.
I think the British Ambassador must be recalled, Britain has no credibility as long as he is in post. It’s a difficult enough time politically and he can no longer can carry any authority. He now needs a different diplomatic post, and we need a new British Ambassador in America.
I hope that the leak culprit can be identified. It’s probable that a crime has been committed.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-19 20:07:17

I don’t know maize I repeating the theory put out there by people like John Soper

MaizieD Mon 08-Jul-19 20:05:17

Isn't that an insult to Britain?

Anyway, even if he is recalled he doesn't have to be replaced by Farage,; who is not even a member of the Diplomatic service. It would be highly irregular, surely?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-19 20:02:13

Blimey it seems to be all coming together just as predicted. Trump - friend of Farage and Johnson has just said he will not deal with the British ambassador

Cue - bring on Farage on 23 rd July.

Jane10 Mon 08-Jul-19 19:47:26

What the ambassador tells a national newspaper and what he puts in an intelligence email will be two completely different things!

MaizieD Mon 08-Jul-19 19:41:19

He has boasted proudly of having met him as many as eight times,

Where has he 'boasted proudly'? Telling the FT that he has always found DT to be 'charming' is not exactly proud boasting. Or did he say "I'm proud to have met him eight times and found him charming"? I think we should be told..

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jul-19 19:18:09

As Her Britannic Majesty's Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary to the United States (to give the UK’s ambassador to America its full title), Sir Kim Darroch is meant to get on with the President.

He has boasted proudly of having met him as many as eight times, telling the Financial Times he had "always found him to be absolutely charming".

The President did not return the warmth today, telling journalists that "we are not big fans of that man”, which is understandable given that he now knows the ambassador privately thinks he “radiates insecurity”.

I imagine it will be a bit awkward going forward ....

Jane10 Mon 08-Jul-19 18:18:17

Ambassadors are expected to provide explicit details of their opinions. It's their job.
He's a long established diplomat. The only people who should be sacked are the leakers and/or hackers.

Davidhs Mon 08-Jul-19 17:29:04

Farage, I think not. However the email should have been written in much more diplomatic terms, the foreign office has a certain opinion of Trump and a graphic opinion from the ambassador was not needed, he should be replaced.

As for who leaked the email, that could be anyone, a hacker or even the CIA. Why use an email rather than an encrypted message

maddyone Mon 08-Jul-19 17:07:49

Don’t people have to have some sort of training before they become an ambassador? I quite like Farage but I don’t think he’s suitable for this post.

Elegran Mon 08-Jul-19 17:01:11

Putin stands to gain.
This article is more than two years old, but it rings true. Article in "Politico"

( "POLITICO, a global nonpartisan politics and policy news organization, launched in Europe in April 2015. POLITICO Europe is a joint-venture between POLITICO LLC, based in the USA and Axel Springer, the leading publisher in Europe." from their "About us" page)

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-19 16:54:31

Yes she’s always implicated with that crew. That’s why if the BBC haven’t got Farage droning on they have Oakshott.

Dinahmo Mon 08-Jul-19 16:42:34

There is an interesting article on politics.co.uk today about the leaks and Oakeshott's connections to Arron Banks, Farage and Leave UK.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-19 16:21:19

Someone who might gain from it?

Jane10 Mon 08-Jul-19 16:14:57

I think Elegran has hit the nail on the head. Who else but Putin would enjoy stirring up such trouble?

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jul-19 15:25:49

This made me laugh:

‘First find your leaker. If it is someone low down they will go to jail, if it is someone high up they will be told not to be a naughty boy and if it is a Government minister he or she will be promoted.’
?

suziewoozie Mon 08-Jul-19 15:24:12

Eazybee - that’s a really interesting point you’ve raised re Oakeshott ( and it applies to other journalists). I wonder if we too easily buy into this ‘protecting their sources’ when sometimes ( not always of course) it just encourages this type of behaviour.

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jul-19 15:23:34

Mind you Simon Jenkins has a piece today in the Graun:

“The UK ambassador was a fool to put his unvarnished opinions in writing and think they would be kept secret”

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-19 15:16:34

Oakshott is totally friendly with Farage

eazybee Mon 08-Jul-19 15:11:40

People who leak steal information are despicable, as are the journalists who use it. That is you, Isabel Euphemia Oakeshott, who has betrayed David Cameron, Vicky Price, and the British Ambassador among others. But she will protect her sources.

Apparently between twenty and one hundred people could have accessed the Ambassador's reports, which means all will be interviewed, and distrust and mistrust amongst colleagues will be widespread. But Oakeshott and her spies will remain safe, and probably richer.

suziewoozie Mon 08-Jul-19 15:10:45

Spot on Urmstongran

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-19 15:07:47

To be honest I thought this was almost certainly one of those stories from nowhere, but now I’m reading that John Soper backs the theory, so perhaps the op isn’t quite so daft after all!!

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jul-19 15:05:26

Hunt has just exposed himself as not being up to the job of Prime Minister or Foreign Secretary. He said:

"There are 13,000 people who work for the Foreign Office extremely bright, able, dedicated people. And we pay them as taxpayers to give us their frank assessment of the situation in the countries where they are serving, which is what our ambassador in Washington was doing." Spot on.

And then he said, talking about Britain's Ambassador to Washington, Sir Kim Darroch, was expressing: "... a personal view."

Of course it wasn't a personal view. It was a professional judgement based on experience, training and observation. Exactly what we expect, and pay him for.

lemongrove Mon 08-Jul-19 12:56:30

Perhaps it was his spider ? (mole) all those days spent in Westminster must have taught it a thing or two.

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jul-19 12:53:23

Yes he was sacked but maybe not for being the mole. And if he wasn’t the mole then who was?

“Mr Williamson was ousted from the Cabinet after he repeatedly made suggestions that the PM's Type-1 diabetes made her unfit for the office” the Sunday Times has reported.

“Mrs May dismissed him on Wednesday with a scathing letter accusing Mr Williamson of leaking top-secret information on the potential involvement of Chinese firm Huawei in the development of the UK’s 5G network”

Maybe we won’t find the leaker from the Ambassador’s staff either.

Very worrying indeed (both instances).