Trump, using the language of the playground again.

Ok, understood-

Same for me MaizieD.

To only talk about him, or what Native Americans think this minute, and not American history as a whole, is missing the point

I think that you have entirely missed my point, rosecarmel. However, I won't labour it.

Iam, to be clear, I think "prejudice" is equal but actions are not- Every prejudice contains the same seed, but each produces either abundantly, barely at all or somewhere in between-

Trump isn't the worse in U.S. History- If I were to consider him worse, I'd be erasing every shred of empathy I had for those that suffered a worse fate than Trump in the past- Lets hope that it doesn't come to that, that he becomes the worse in history-

Fennel, The UK and the US have always had very different views on fundamentals. The NHS a case in point, they see "socialism " as the worst thing ever, and the NHS a prime exmple of socialism at its worst. Most of us see the NHS as the best of British.
Yes, they joined WW2 after Pearl Harbour but we have to be thankful for that late entry because our backs were well and truly against the wall. Thousands of Americans gave their lives to save Europe.
As for your question about how American republicans would regard Momentum, I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm a left leaner, life long Labour voter and I'm unimpressed by Momentum. I feel they're all to similar to Militant who come close to destroying the Labour Party in the 1980's.

The 'special relationship' means much less to me that the EU. I see myself as a European. I trust our European neighbours more than I trust the American government. I mistrust Trump more than any previous President in my life time, and that's saying something.

Fennel - my guess is that many of us in the UK know far more about US history than the average Trump supporter, Not just the treatment of the native Americans and slavery but the fight for desegregation and the whole civil rights movement. I remember Little Rock, the murders of brave Civil Rights Activists from the North. Not that Trump was involved in any of that of course.

ps I'm off now from this - our Shabbat.

OK Iam - maybe many of us do know about the history.
But it's this repetition of 'special relationship' which seems so hypocritical.
Yes the Americans rescued us in the dark days of WW2. Even then in their own interests too.
But since then our countries, and political principles , have divulged dramatically.
eg How do the American Republican (RW) party regard our Momentum group?

I echo Fennel and thank rosecarmel for her input.

It is not so long ago that we were watching American cowboy films presenting American cowboys as the good guys and the North Americans Indians as the baddies.
The Mexicans were always portrayed as the bad guys in the spaghetti westerns.

I think Trump still believes that he is in one such Western where he is the Hero.
Unfortunately he is not yet riding off into the sunset ?

Speak for yourself Fennel. I'm not suggesting I know the history of the US to degree level but I'm certainly aware of the history of slavery and the way the indigenous tribes were treated.
Any visit to the USA means its unavoidable to come face to face with the legacy of slavery and the treatment of the native Americans.

rosecarmel your input is much appreciated by those of us in the UK.
Most of us have no idea of the history of the USA over the last 2-300 years. And don't realise how different it is from our own.
We don't know the story of the indigenous American tribes, let alone the history of black slavery. And how these still influence current American politics.
imo we might speak the same language, but we're miles apart.

I’m missing something in translation rosecarmel. Yes I’m aware native Americans had and continue to have a very raw deal, haven’t seen anyone saying different.
Yes, not every Democrat saw Obama as entirely positive.
Previous presidents in the recent past have presided over disasters, wars, invasions etc, I’m defending none if those disasters.
Trump is IMO not ‘equally ugly’, he is much worse. Which previous President has been so bliddy rude and dismissive of his allies, if other leaders of state and of his own political opponents.
I’m not even going to mention his disgusting misogyny - whoops , I did

Jura, do have you any idea how many Democrats were also not happy with President Obama?

Maizie, what is your point? I've no doubt that you are aware that Native Americans have been egregiously neglected- Would me telling you what they need inspire you to provide it? How long do you think they've been thinking WTF? And why care just about what they think of Trumps ignorance and prejudice when for so long they've been ignored?

We have had prejudice presidents in the past, mass deportations, internment camps, genocide, slavery and wars- His prejudice, like others in the past, is awful- He is a product of a disgusting, gritty, depressing era who hasn't changed much with time, much like presidents in the past-

He is not unique in that regard- Only equally as ugly- To only talk about him, or what Native Americans think this minute, and not American history as a whole, is missing the point-

rosecarmel, you are right about patriotism. I know many conscienscous (sp?) objectors or people with disabilities who did not serve but love this country.

A massive difference with a selfish multiple dodger- who misused money and power to selfishly dodge

Yes MaizieD that's true about the native Americans. Wonder what they think about Trump saying that?!

Remind me - Trump and his friends and supporters just hated Obama's America and did everything they could and more to undermine everything he wanted to achieve- did they all go 'back home where they came from'?

In a netshell, Native Americans have yet to be given what's needed

That really doesn't tell us anything at all. rosecarmel

I'm only addressing the racism and hypocrisy of a President who singles out some people of immigrant stock, among a practically entire nation of immigrant stock (apart from the remaining native Americans), including his own family, and tells them to go home. The real natives must be a bit WTF!

There are more Native Americans than Muslims-

Paywall? Bummer- My apologies-

In a netshell, Native Americans have yet to be given what's needed-

Suzie, my point is clear- The word patriotic is nuanced- It isn't reserved specifically for people who served-

Paywall

www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/05/13/feature/what-do-native-americans-want-from-a-president/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.34a6f92a946d

That’s a very misleading post rose. More presidents have done military service than have not. Also remember how Trump rubbished McCain because he was taken prisoners?

The word patriotic has many nuances and plenty of U.S. presidents never served in the military, no different from other Americans who never served-

Plenty of Americans would agree he's attempting to defend the borders, they would also agree those attempts have been anywhere from casual to excessive-

Personality is a percentage of the rating .. So .. I'm surprised it isn't lower .. ?