Is this the face of fascism?

quizqueen, Civil Servants within departments are there to give Government Minister "full unbiased information" on any matter. That information should contain pro and adverse comment and data on the same, but never their own views on any subject whether that be government policy or not.

Ambassadors abroad can and should give their own views on the government, ministers and organisations of the countries they are based in, but in that many have spent a lifetime in training for such positions

Only people such as Boris (The Buffoon) Johnson do not support our ambassadors abroad in that it would seem.

Disgusting.

How exactly are all those civil servants thwarting it? Where is your evidence?

The civil servants and MPs need to support Brexit because that is what the majority of people in this country, who took the trouble to vote in the Referendum, have chosen to do. At the moment they are seen to be thwarting it. If Brexit is not a success, it will NOT be because it was not a good idea, but because the government, civil servants, media and the general public were not positive enough about the possibilities of our future independence.

Your last sentence is a very good one jenpax we all voted for what we thought was the best outcome whichever way we voted.Nobody is a traitor for using their vote three years ago.

Apologies that should be fascists in my above above post and not racists

Johno Quote[ I bet this is out of context. But Farage, it seems, is pointing to the fact we had a referendum and some civil servants are working against it - the democratic decision by the people.] End Quote.

Johno, can you guide forum members to online links that demonstrate Civil Servants have been working thwart the referendum result.

As Farage and Johnson have shown the whole UK population in the past few days that they are in thought nothing short of racists, I now ignore anything they and the persons who surround them state.

It’s amazing how many people do equate Brexit to loyalty to the UK!
Last year I helped to man a peaceful pro Remain Stall in a neighbouring town and had one elderly man (supported by nods from others) come up to me and state very loudly that
A) I was a traitor to my country,
B) should be ashamed of myself
and
C) should be sent to prison!!!
I am pro remain because I want what I consider best for the UK it doesn’t make me disloyal or a traitor. I don’t consider those who disagree with me to be disloyal traitors either!

I bet this is out of context. But Farage, it seems, is pointing to the fact we had a referendum and some civil servants are working against it - the democratic decision by the people. They should never work against the referendum decision. If we want to play - "whose opinion fits into which political ideology" - then let someone start a post on it. I suggest - Torys shut down money for disabled - as a serious starter for 10. ?? By the way, I think Farage is an absolute two-faced placeman and I will have a bet with any person on any odds he will be in the House of Lords within 5 years. This he has been promised for what he is doing. I also strongly favour EXIT the EU NO DEAL. I hope no one reports me to Gransnet HQ for that.

So, Urmstongran what thoughts do you reckon went through the heads of those who voted to go it alone in the current global atmosphere of "biggest is best" and the devil take the hindermost?

Urmstongran, in regard to your post @11:19 today (11/07/19) it should be remembered that it has been MPs of the Tory Party that have thwarted Britain leaving the European Union.

In the above, the Tory Party are the largest party in the House of Commons, and with the paid for support of the UDP, that should have provided a comfortable majority for Theresa Mays leave agreement to be passed by Parliament.

However, the ERG group along with the UDP voted against that deal, and in doing so prevented the UK leaving the European Union on the 29th of March.

Now some in that same deeply divided party wish to prorogue Parliament and in that deprive everyone in Britain of democracy purely as a means of solving ideological problems in the that Tory party.

Just how much more anti-democratic can those proposing this get. Disgusting

Fascists in thought, word and deed everyone of them.

Urmstongran I think the remainers in Government have to take some responsibility for this situation.

They voted for Article 50 and then have thwarted the withdrawal agreement at every opportunity.

Whatever any one says those who voted in the referendum come out in favour of leaving the EU.

Did they really think not acting on the referendum result would result in it all being forgotten?

Moderate ‘liberal minded folk’ losing WWmark2?

They lost it at the referendum but refused to accept it! 3 long years later their hope of reversal of Brexit hasn’t happened and their railing against it has intensified each time Brexit has crept incrementally closer.

It’s going to happen now. Best get used to it.

A different political boss, surrounded by a different ‘can facilitate this’ Cabinet, different civil servants will put a new face to these negotiations.

About time.

Had to laugh - Amber Rudd has now declared she WILL support a No Deal Brexit if negotiations with Boris fail. Nick Boles has just tweeted ‘so Amber Rudd who wouldn’t trust Boris to drive her home from a party, will now if it’s in a ministerial car!’

www.civilservant.org.uk/ethics-impartiality.html

This is interesting - I think understanding the concept of impartiality is actually quite difficult. It doesn’t mean I think not having a view but how that view was formed and what influences were brought to bear in forming that view.

NF tapped into the wishes of those who wanted to Leave the EU. He is polite, urbane and determined on behalf of us Brexiteers. His BP smashed it at the EU elections which shows the strength of support he has!

Yes, he’s one of the ‘elite’ we’re not daft.

But he respects the result of the referendum (unlike the majority of the other elites who got such a shock at the result of the referendum!) so no wonder we ‘non elites’ feel we have a champion at last for our voice - very few in power respect our view and we can unite behind him.

Go Nige!! (if Boris doesn’t deliver)
???

Olly Robbins?? Thu 11-Jul-19 11:01:13

So do tell us what Olly Robbins did that was not what his political boss wanted him to do? And perhaps you could tell us how you know this as a fact Urmstongran

"Mind you the civil service haven’t been impartial in negotiations of Brexit." (Thu 11-Jul-19 10:34:04)

... and you know this how Urmstongran

Olly Robbins??

In the spirit of McEnroe at Wimbledon “you can’t be serious!”.

???

The civil servants have been as impartial as their job requires. You have been fed lies.

So Boris wants to shut down parliament, might have got rid of a British Ambassador, and Farage wants to cull the military and the civil service. The far right are in ascendance. When the voice of reason is one John Major, we are living in strange and scarey times.

Which are the qualities you admire in NF please?

I’m a Farage fan.
I want to get Brexit done.
These last 3 years have been frustrating.

But I don’t agree with what he has said there.

Mind you the civil service haven’t been impartial in negotiations of Brexit.

I think once we have left and we can either ‘celebrate’ or at least by some ‘move forward in resigned acceptance’ reason will return. Farage will exit stage left (job done) and negotiations continue but in a less febrile manner.

Either that or Boris will call a GE and the ballot box will determine our future.

What we need is another Brick Lane.

It isn't just within the Tory Party Grandad. Many are supporters of the Brexit Party Limited - or both. It must have seemed just as innocent to some as to whether they should join the Nazi party in the 30s. Then you had to join if you wanted to keep your job if it was anything to do with the government.

I am both concerned and frightened at what we are moving towards but Brexit is just the same as a war of religion to some. They think what they believe it true and there is no room for a non-believer.

"Still under Nazi control, the Reichstag passed a new law ...making it a crime to speak out against the new government or criticise its leaders. Known as the Malicious Practices Act, the law made even the smallest expression of dissent a crime."