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Is this the face of fascism?

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Jul-19 08:05:32

This from an American Ambassador

Anthony Gardner
@tonylgardner
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Farage said that anyone in UK civil service or military who doesn’t believe in Brexit should be removed. My jaw dropped. This is outrageous. It is fascistic to apply a single issue to determine “loyalty” as if we were in a war of religion. Shame on him.

GrauntyHelen Fri 12-Jul-19 15:41:46

YES INDEED and if there is a prorogation of Parliament you will find me chained and lying at it's doors !! They will have to step over me to leave

mcem Fri 12-Jul-19 15:34:19

maddy many of us on GN would admit to posting the occasional rant. The oft-used word describes a rather emotional/ frustrated post and is not a particularly big deal.
If your objection is to the word 'ignorant' I'd say (as several others have too) that the post was based on a lack of any real evidence and was lacking in accuracy and therefore the word was appropriately used.
My posts were calmly written and contained comments relating to the post not the poster.
Why then do you label them as rude?
Clearly I am not alone in thinking this way.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 12-Jul-19 15:31:02

MaizieD, thank you for taking such an interest in my posts on other threads.

If you had fully checked, I said that I was voting for the Brexit Party in the EU elections, but would never vote for them in either a General or Local Election.

My vote was purely a protest vote, and hopefully the current batch of MPs at Westminster have realised that for the last 3 years, this country has not been governed in a way acceptable to the majority of the electorate.

Unless the Conservatives manage to sort out the UK"s withdrawal from the EU, they are leaving the door of No.10 wide open to the Brexit Party.........something that I find frankly a very frightening prospect.

I AM NOT A FACIST, and feel insulted by you MaizieD

MaizieD Fri 12-Jul-19 15:18:35

MaizieD I have never supported facists please check my posts.

I did check your posts.
You said on the EU Elections thread that you were going to vote for the Brexit Party in the EU elections. Its leader (and only member) is Farage. This thread is about a fascist statement that he made a couple of days ago. I don't see how you can say you don't support fascism if you are prepared to vote for a party whose only member and policy maker is a fascist.

Or are you changing your mind about supporting the BP?

Likewise a number of other Leavers on here who also said they were going to support the BP.

Ha ha ha. You don' like a meander, do you MaizieD? grin
Dare I say I say your many attempts to keep posters in line and not deviating at all, sounds very dictatorial.

Say what you like, Day6. Sticks and stones etc. But I find it very interesting that no Leavers are willing to touch the subject of Farage's fascist statement. Save for whingeing about the use of the term. A number of posters have explained what they are basing their judgement of 'fascism' on. Not one Leaver has tried to answer their points. I've checked back. Not one...

mouse44 Fri 12-Jul-19 14:35:10

Reading the posts on Gransnet on Brexit-related subjects really depresses me. I am a remainer but I do understand where leavers are coming from. I even flirted with the idea of Lexit, not liking the way the EU had treated Greece, in particular, but I decided that 70 years of peace, the fact that we had contributed to all the laws of the Eu and that, basically, Brexit was a right-wing project to make people like Farage and Rees-Mog richer decided me. I have been very interested in studying who did vote leave and why. An interesting article in the LRB suggested that pain united working-class leavers with the Tories of the shires. The working classes of the north have suffered horribly under globalisation and have felt real economic pain. The leavers of the Tory shires, being mostly older, suffer the actual pain of old age as well as nostalgia for a youth that never really existed. See Moggie's cry of pain about all the things she finds hard to deal with. Would the leavers amongst you think of that thesis and let me know if there is any truth.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 12-Jul-19 14:09:05

Elegran Thank you, and I agree with your last post.

Elegran Fri 12-Jul-19 14:07:36

In general and on here!

Elegran Fri 12-Jul-19 14:07:02

I wasn't arguing, GrannyGravy13, but elaborating on what you said! When there are conflicting opinions, a lot of care is needed in picking out which are valuable and which are a load of hot air, blown about by people who like the sound of their own voices. There are many of those around.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 12-Jul-19 13:53:34

Elegran That is the point I was making!! Obviously I am posting in a language other than English?

Day6 Fri 12-Jul-19 13:53:21

Or is this more deflection from the thread topic?

Ha ha ha. You don' like a meander, do you MaizieD? grin
Dare I say I say your many attempts to keep posters in line and not deviating at all, sounds very dictatorial.

For what it's worth, have others noticed that 'fascist' a pejorative term, is being used more and more by left wingers? That and the term Nazi. It's an insult to those who vote differently from them.

We need to be careful. Even the most mild mannered disagreement online is now being met with both damning terms from those who think differently.

The far left need to be careful. IMO they are branding people who want different things from them as 'fascists'. Isn't that actually fascism in action - to close down and oppress stuff they don't like?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 12-Jul-19 13:52:00

MaizieD I have never supported facists please check my posts.

I have repeatedly said I am not a fan of Nigel Farage.

I have not been to the USA since Trump has been elected and will not go until he is gone!!

Elegran Fri 12-Jul-19 13:49:35

GrannyGravy13 Some experts are more expert than others, because they specialised in that field, or have been in the job longer. Part of deciding which one to believe is evaluating their qualifications for saying what they do. Some people tend to believe the one who shouts loudest, or whose judgment is quoted by the newspaper with the biggest, most sensational headlines.

maddyone Fri 12-Jul-19 13:31:23

No Elegran, because I didn’t say that moggie’s post was fact, I said moggie was allowed to express her opinion. I also said mcem’s post was unnecessarily rude. I stand by what I said. There are ways to disagree without being obnoxious and rude to other posters.

Urmstongran Fri 12-Jul-19 13:18:30

Why are Remainers so strident ?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 12-Jul-19 13:15:39

MaizieD you obviously did not understand my post!!! I shall endeavour to explain it for you.

It is possible to get 3-4 “experts” in the same field together in a room and they would all have a different opinion. It is up to each of us to decide what “expert” we trust or believe.

Elegran Fri 12-Jul-19 13:00:37

But, Maddy, it is true that Moggie's rant was based on mistaken "facts" . Failing to point those out would be allowing them to stand as the truth.

maddyone Fri 12-Jul-19 12:57:53

.....to her Maizie.

maddyone Fri 12-Jul-19 12:57:27

I should think Firecracker doesn’t give a toss about whether you listen to her or Maizie.

maddyone Fri 12-Jul-19 12:55:55

mcem, you must have been very selective in the threads you have read on Gransnet, I have seen many ‘rants’ on Gransnet, and some of them, sadly have been just as rude as yours. Moggie is allowed her opinion just as you are allowed yours. To use the words ‘ignorant rant’ about a poster says more about you than it does about moggie.

Firecracker123 Fri 12-Jul-19 12:55:09

I feel sad for the poster who felt that she had to apologise to you. I'll say it again who are you to say who and what people can post.

MaizieD Fri 12-Jul-19 11:27:25

Say something worth listening to, Firecracker and I might listen to you.

MaizieD Fri 12-Jul-19 11:25:57

It is blatantly obvious that they all have their own agenda, the experts are funded by Government or Industry,

I think you've destroyed your own argument there, GG13. Implying that all experts are corrupted by their funding source is ridiculous. Every facet of our lives is touched by 'experts'. Where on earth would you be if you distrusted every single one of them?

and as of late we are facists”

No-one is saying that you're a fascist. Only that you are supporting fascists.

Firecracker123 Fri 12-Jul-19 11:12:08

MaizieD are you the new self proclaimed post monitor. Lighten up a bit. Who are you to say who and what we can post on any thread.

Minniemoo Fri 12-Jul-19 10:49:54

Sorry Maizie, I didn't mean to deflect. I had just seen many comments about the EU and those who voted for Brexit. You are free to do some research of your own about Africa. There's plenty out there. The attitude of those who think they have the moral high ground is too much to cope with whilst in poor health. So I shall bid farewell.

Firecracker123 Fri 12-Jul-19 10:43:44

Well I doubt Moggie will be posting again proud of yourselves are you.