Johnson and Brexit

Doesn't know if Mitchell is a good economist but sure that his views on the EU are sound.

Sounds a bit like twisted logic to me...

You should be interested if want to know why he's scathing. I never thought you'd be in favour of Marxism

I was right.

Agency staff are to be given border control tasks. I knew there wasn't enough time to train the people needed. This is going to end in tears.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/21/home-office-to-assign-border-force-jobs-to-agency-workers

Interesting that leavers are happy to cite Mitchell as someone they consider a good economist

I have no real interest in his economic theories. I have no idea at all if Bill Mitchell is a good economist. He does however, find fault with the economic workings of the EU. He is scathing in his criticism.

His views on the short-comings of the EU which you and other Remainers hold up as, in his words, " the exemplar of freedom, globalism, cosmopolitanism and sophistication." tend to be mine too. He sees it as "an embarrassing monstrosity".

He understand and deplores the workings of the EU. I cannot claim to have his detailed, specialist understanding and in-depth knowledge of monetary systems, but Mitchell is an excellent word-smith.

There's lots more condemnation of the EU if you care to read the link.

Are there really people out there who actually believe Johnson, Cummings and ERG are actually trying to negotiate a Deal?

Jura, aren't you forgetting that the EU has stated it will not budge on the deal Theresa May brought back from Brussels? It was a take it or leave offer way back when. It was rejected by PARLIAMENT. Nothing has changed by the sounds of it.

You cannot blame our PM for going back and trying to sort out the sticking points.

The EU isn't interested. Sounds like a rejection of any UK tweaking, doesn't it? The EU still hopes enough of our Remainer parliament will stop Brexit. Is that not game-playing?

But of course, for lovers of Brussels and all things EU, that just has to be Boris's fault, doesn't it?

Who do you suggest goes back once more to sort out the backstop problem?

Or should we just roll over and die?

GGMk3's reply was from this.

"Creative Director. Chris Herbert (born March, 1971 in Hillingdon, Middlesex, England), is a talent manager who has helped overseen the careers of the Spice Girls, Five, Stephen Gately and Hear'Say, B*Witched, The Honeyz, Ben's Brother"

Bizarre. It was quite late though. Not sure how one can get Chris Herbert if the search is for Bill Mitchell

Could there be a connection Perhaps the Spice Girls had a song about the EU called "The Europhile progressives who continue to hold up this embarrassing monstrosity as the exemplar of freedom, globalism, cosmopolitanism and sophistication."

It doesn't sound very catchy though, does it? {hmm] It was never going to be a hit. No doubt, just like the EU, people of the UK rejected it.

Are there really people out there who actually believe Johnson, Cummings and ERG are actually trying to negotiate a Deal?

Anyone who still does not realise they never ever wanted a Deal? And the major reason for Brexit, and No Deal, is due to the New EU directives on Tax Havens and Tax evasion? Really?

Why would I want to fool you POGS? We are just mythical people on a forum. I don't mean to be unkind but in my life you don't rate much space. On the other hand, a sleepless, painful night made me cross that someone didn't reference somewhere near properly.

I'm sure though, that in your world you are important to many. Which is all that matters really, isn't it. Just, perhaps, don't assume I am writing for you - I'm not.

thank you, urmonstongran, I do my best

WWMK

You make my point about those who ironically usually chastise others for not believing in' experts' :-

'Of course there is the age old problem of what individuals believe is democracy, who individuals believe to be experts, good economists etc. and the answer is when they hold with our own personal views we agree with them and call them experts, when they don't hold with our views they are idiots. '

Twas ever thus.

GGMK3

You fool nobody.

The word economist was used in the post you deemed fit to challenge by making a weird statement about the person in question being a show bizz manager.

Weird

Interesting that leavers are happy to cite Mitchell as someone they consider a good economist because he supports Brexit but who is in fact both a socialist and Keynsian.
In fact some of his theory is being given consideration by Labour.

No doubt though those posting on the thread would feel unequal to be able to support that part of his economic stance.

Muddled is the word.

Credit where it’s due Gill57 that was a very witty comment!
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Growstuff, I have the answer! If one of us writes a letter to the Daily Telegraph and it gets published, then Urmonstongran will quote us as experts. Simples

POGS you are a little late with your post. Someone else had already pointed out how the link would work. From that, I read the original and form my own opinion. That was really all I needed.

GG MK 3

GracesGranMK3 Tue 20-Aug-19

" So you post something by a talent manager who "has helped oversee the careers of the Spice Girls, Five, Stephen Gately and Hear'Say, B*Witched, The Honeyz, Ben's Brother." and I am supposed to think what? "

Are you telling us you don't believe in experts and going out of your way to prove it. Anyone can google and pick up an anti-EU piece on the net."
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GracesGranMK3 Wed 21-Aug-19

" Bill Mitchell could just be Day 6's next door neighbours with no workable link. Never assume, as they say"
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Who are you are referring to make such sweeping comments?

I believe the Bill Mitchell Day 6 mentions is probably :-

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Mitchell_(economist)

'William Francis Mitchell (born March 1952) is a professor of economics at the University of Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia and a notable proponent of Modern Monetary Theory. '

Happy to be corrected.

' IF ' it is the above Bill Mitchell then I would find your cynicism has a slight irony attached as it was you who said:-

" Are you telling us you don't believe in experts and going out of your way to prove it."

Of course there is the age old problem of what individuals believe is democracy, who individuals believe to be experts, good economists etc. and the answer is when they hold with our own personal views we agree with them and call them experts, when they don't hold with our views they are idiots.

Twas ever thus.

If the UK loses two refineries, there will be an effect on domestic production, which is likely to mean depending more on third country suppliers, such as Russia. The 0% import tariff will make the UK more attractive to other exporters.

The writer to the Telegraph has missed the main issue.

Copied and pasted from Yellowhammer:

60.Tariffs make UK petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability, but UK government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans. This leads to big financial losses and the closure of two refineries (which are converted to import terminals) with about 2,000 direct job losses. Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions they directly supply. Government analysis of the impact of no-deal on refineries continues.

Perhaps Yellowhammer meant it could be possible, not that any person might restrict our oil supplies, but that the its delivery might be affected by the different circumstances of customs, transport delays, etc?

To present a little fact based balance:

This letter was in the Telegraph this morning. I have only redacted his name:

“SIR – I am not a regular contributor to your Letters page, but when I read suggestions, stemming from the Operation Yellowhammer leaks, that Britain might not be able to maintain our fuel supplies, I feel that I am at the Mad Hatter’s tea party.

I have worked in the oil supply business for the past 50 years and am still active as a consultant. There is no way anyone can restrict oil supplies to us, whether that be crude oil to our refineries or finished oil products.”

All of them see the plebs as vote fodder to be manipulated.

Yes, Bill MItchell is a libertarian and very left wing. That's why Corbyn and McDonnell are fans.

There is a group of Brexiters who are Marxists (or claim to be) and their opposition to the EU is based on the theory that it is a global capitalist organisation. The irony is , of course, that their reasons for wishing to leave the EU are diametrically opposed to the aims of Farage, Rees Mogg, etc, who see deregulation as a way to make more money for themselves.

He is very fond of long jargon words, so may not be the favourite of those who don't like esoteric articles.

If you chop off the ?p=42623 Day6's link works.

Bill Mitchell is in Australia. Following the "about" tab at the top of his home page takes you to a photograph of him, and graphics showing his position on the political compass - way to the left and libertarian.

Bill Mitchell could just be Day 6's next door neighbours with no workable link. Never assume, as they say.