Johnson and Brexit

Is that David (" thick as mince" ) Davis who turned up for about 4 meetings in 3 years with no notes as "it is all in my head"? Didn't the EU negotiators call him the tea boy? He couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

I realise your consecutive posts were late last night when I checked just now. Perhaps you were a bit the worse for wear? Your tone was a tad aggressive when you re-read them!

You seem a bit ‘ranty’ this morning growstuff!

My ‘nonsense’ as you call it just happens to be my viewpoint. Different to yours, but there you go!

I said ‘Remain Parliament’ not Remain Government.

I think David Davis could have made a decent fist of the negotiations if he hadn’t been blindsided by Olly Robbins and Teresa the Appeaser.

As we all know, once he found out there was an ‘inner circle’ in charge of the WA (and realised he wasn’t in it) he stood by his convictions and resigned his ministerial post - thereby putting his money where his moth was.

Unlike a lot of Remainer-ish MP’s who bang on saying they ‘might’ ‘could’ resign or are ‘thinking about it’.

The Brexit that was promised is undeliverable. Some people have woken up to this fact and admit there will be “bumps in the road” and need to spend billions in preparation for a “ worst case scenario”. I thought it was all about making us better off - what a lie that has turned out to be. Well done leave campaigners you have messed the country up already. Benefits of Brexit will only accrue to the hedge funds and billionaire tax avoiders. If you’re not one of them - tough. The poor parts of the U.K. will be worse off.

Ireland has already rejected the letter Johnson sent to Tusk about the Irish backstop. He's deliberately setting a red line he knows the EU can't/won't accept.

We keep hearing about the democratic damage from not delivering Brexit.
What about the democratic damage from delivering a Brexit built on 3 years of lies and misunderstandings about both the EU and international trade?
Any thoughts?

You beginning to understand why people call Brexiters dishonest, Day6?

I have plenty more.

Johnson stated unequivocally that the money the NHS would be receiving was "new" money. Liar liar hope his pants are on fire!

www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-efficiency/new-capital-funds-will-come-from-trusts-own-reserves/7025774.article

So who's being irresponsible now? Priti Patel, did you know what your own party promised?

Anyway, while you're ranting away with your nonsense, a bomb went off in the UK near the border with Ireland this morning. It's suspected it was the work of the resurgent IRA and the police were the targets. It was designed to kill.

Weird that it doesn't appear to have been on the BBC main page, but has been relegated to local news.

How do you work that one out? Total lack of logic and fact.

So you think Liam Fox, Boris Johnson and David Davies deliberately sabotaged Brexit?

The fact is that there is no happy solution and there never could have been.

Brexiters are masters (and mistresses) at blaming anybody except themselves.

The electorate (or the sane ones) can this pile of horse manure from outer space.

It has become clear over the last 2 years that our Remain Parliament have not been sincere in any way about trying to get a deal to leave the EU.

Their obvious modis operandi has been to get a bad deal, and keep voting it down, leaving no deal, and then saying the UK cannot leave without a deal so the only option is to Remain.

The electorate can see through that horse manure a mile off.

In fact, first time in eighty years that I have been accused of hysteria. If after all those years of avoiding the "News and politics" topic I am seen to post with disgust at the Machiavellian ambition of political climbers and amazement at the wilful blindness of those who dismiss experts as "experts" then it demonstrates how important I feel this subject is, both the Machiavellian aspect and the Luddite tendency.

Hysteria? First time in eight years posting that I have been called hysterical!

For “dog” read “dosh”.

The belief that we are”saving” our EU contribution which will magically enrich us all is about as realistic as the red bus. Funny how some people still believe that we hand over all this dog for nothing in return and we as a country are going to be rolling in largesse which our esteemed politicians will ensure will be distributed fairly to the homeless, poor, health care etc. Well if you believe that...........

The odd thing is that my post about decency and honesty etc, was simply just that. A post reflecting my thought processes just at that minute. It was taken from nowhere just my feelings, and was meant to encompass the whole country.

But what has happened? A strident rebuttal by a leave voter, who is barking entirely up the wrong tree as far as my post was concerned.

“The lady doth protest too much, me thinks”

Perhaps because she recognises the truth in my statement of the attitude of so many leavers and their attitude.

That was my understanding of the future of pensions - basically all ok for now but uncertainty (which seems to be the name of the Brexit game) over future arrangements. Another finger crossing exercise.

Perhaps career politicians regard themselves as "They are paid to find fault and oppose anyone not in their coterie." If they want to rise to a position of power in their party, they do well to appear more loyal to their leader than to their God or their king/queen and country.

However I pay a proportion of my tax to finance members of Parliament who are supposed to be men of honour serving their country, not career politicians, self-serving above all else. I voted for someone to represent my area when similar representatives get together to make momentous decisions about the future of the country, not someone who jumped onto a bandwagon of unrest to make promises that were ill-thought-out and impossible to reconcile with existing promises and legislation, purely so that they would be seen as a popular hero when the referendum was defeated (as they believed it would be)

Anyway, it would appear that UK pensions in the EU are safe - for the moment.

UK pensions and benefits
The UK leaving the EU will not affect your entitlement to continue receiving your UK State Pension if you live in the EU, EEA or Switzerland.
The UK government would wish to continue uprating pensions but will take decisions in light of whether reciprocal arrangements with the EU are in place.
You will carry on receiving other UK benefits you already receive while you are living in the EU, EEA or Switzerland, as long as you continue to meet the eligibility criteria.

However, there is no guarantee that pensions will be uprated in future, unless a reciprocal agreement is reached.

Listen to your Remain voting children Day6. They seem to be a lot wiser than you.

Day6, Views such as yours show lack of honesty, fairness and trust, but blinkers prevent you from seeing it.

Bold type - you’re really wound up about this, aren’t you. It’s all going down the pan, your precious Brexit is being shown for what it is, you haven’t got a clue what you voted for and Boris is in charge. Yep, it’s shit.

who criticises people for exhibiting lack of honesty, decency and fairness be accused of stoking up unrest

A Remainer imagines those traits have vanished, never to return. Have you read the post?

My point is, they haven't.

Politicians could be accused I suppose, but what's new? Those are the tools of their trade, and always have been. They are paid to find fault and oppose anyone not in their coterie.

I remain fair, honest and decent, as do my Leaver AND Remainer pals.

My point is, this sort of accusation is Remainer rhetoric, used to fuel the fires of unrest. (Not employed by all, but seen mainly on message boards. My Remainer friends do not think a chasm is opening and all is hellish because we many leave the EU.)

Remainer doom-mongering and gloomy perspective regarding life as it's lived has been challenged and seen for what it is - hysteria.

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Sense of proportion!!