Johnson and Brexit

You could say that about voting in a general election SirChenjin. A change in government may or may not bring about major changes in your life, good or bad, depending on the election promises of the party you vote for and whether or not they're implemented.

In that situation you may well read and understand all the T&C's but it doesn't necessarily follow that just because you did, they'll be implemented or not, as the case may be.

Maybe they don't believe it's going to cause any major change, Sir? Maybe they think that life will go on. Who knows. Everyone has their reason for leaving. Some less savoury than others.

My reasons have been listed and I shan't bore anyone with them again.

I do think that things could well be better after Brexit. Just as you believe they won't. Neither of us know for sure. Some of the reasons in the right wing article from the Adam Institute I posted seem quite feasible to me.

It's not just the British who are anti EU either. Many articles exist which proves dissent exists from north to south, east to west.

If you have 3 or 4 hours to spare this is quite an interesting article which may go some way to answering your questions. And it's in the Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/brexit-remain-radicalisation-fbpe-peoples-vote

I didn’t vote to leave and I don’t think things will be better after Brexit - which is why I’m asking people who did and do, because they must have based their decision to vote to leave on something if they believed these really important aspects of our lives would improve. So far no leaver has been able to answer those key questions.

Would you put your signature to any other major change in your life without reading and understanding the T&Cs? I wouldn’t.

I don't think I would, Minniemoo, but it's irrelevant.

I'm afraid I don't have the answers to your questions SirChenjin, perhaps you could say how all the things you mentioned will suffer once we leave the EU.

growstuff.

You're right, Sir.

So why do you post snide remarks to people then, growstuff? Most peculiar.

I'm sure that most of us would all get on very nicely if we met face to face. People can have opposing views and still enjoy each other's company.

Ta-ra, la

Wolfson was never anti Brexit - he was anti no deal. The article puts his views in context though and explains he thinks a no deal will only bring about 'mild disruption' for his business.

Is 'brighter future' a euphemism for mild disruption, I wonder?

Tara for now ;-)

I'm not at all happy, Minniemoo. Why would I be? That seems like immature thinking.

I don't really do anger because I care too much about my blood pressure and heart, so I react to snide remarks in my own way.

Reading the rest of that Graun article gives a more balanced view of what Wolfson (the prominent Leaver) actually said and what many other business leaders are saying.

Oh yes, Urmstongran, and he was quite anti-Brexit. As a CEO it's good to see him deciding to work with the situation rather than endlessly droning on about how bad it's going to be .

Amber Rudd could have stepped down, absolutely, but she didn't - and therefore she is expected to toe the party line.

Well it was in the Graun growstuff.

Seems I can’t win on here today!!

My post seems vacuous to you? As do yours to me, growstuff!

I was always too polite to say so before though.

Now we're both happy.

Amber Rudd didn’t have to toe the party line. She could have stepped down like Hammond. She had a choice.

Would it be possible to find a quote from somebody a little more neutral than Lord Wolfson?

Don't let your curiosity eat you up!

PS. Your post seemed rather vacuous to me.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/uk-a-long-way-from-gridlock-and-chaos-in-event-no-deal-brexit-lord-wolfson

Interesting considering Next is also one of the only high street retailers making good profits. Getting on with preparing for Brexit rather than using it as an excuse for failure seems to be the way forward.

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Thank you for making the effort, Smileless. It really is appreciated. However, I don't find the arguments convincing, but won't repeat SirChenjin's reasoning.

I'm sure the media will make much of the date of Brexit Day and the association with saints and the dead, etc. I don't really expect the sky to fall in on 1 November.

I am much more concerned about the long term effects, not only on our economy, social institutions, freedom of movement, etc, but also on our political systems, which are been seriously and deliberately attacked.

There's plenty of time.

You and your strawman argument, growstuff.

It is valid today as an indication of how humans react. We've had countless 'crises' over the years where some people forecast doom and others sailed through with minimal concern.

And I am still intrigued about your woollyback comment. Which was somewhat rude. Living in Liverpool I know the meaning well.

I'm afraid they're not coming up with any workable solutions, Minniemoo.

I've never met anybody who enjoys declaring the end is nigh. That seems like a leaver strawman.

As in Amber Rudd, the cabinet member who has been instructed to toe the party line?

If you'd come on here and said Amber Rudd has put her head above the parapet and said that no deal will be a disaster for the UK then I might have been surprised.

No Greta, no reference. And of course the Irish backstop is a major concern.

However I doubt very much that anything written in this article has changed much though.

We have been filled with all sorts of nonsensical claims that many people have fallen for in the last 3 years.

With regard to the backstop, none of us here knows the answer, but people who know far more about all this will be working on it.

I am still one of the few who believes that we might not leave without a deal . I think the EU may well come up with 'something'. No idea what but it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

As is mentioned about the Euro. All manner of things were going to befall us and of course it never happened. But we have sections in society who almost seem to enjoy declaring the end is nigh.

The Adam Smith Institute is a right-wing, free trade think tank and anything it produces should be read in that context.