J R-M - pernickity pedant?

Practical saints oh my - examples?

The thing about Jacob Rees Mogg I like most is no matter how rude, obnoxious, libellous, vile the protests, comments, physical abuse or behaviour is thrown at him he remains the character some dislike so much about him, a GENTLEMAN, COURTEOUS.

He is not a politician to try and get his point over by abusing his opponent he will quietly debate his point. Ironically he is vilified because of that by people who are abusive in word and in deed toward him.

I watched his first time as Leader of the House of Commons on T. V and he was in command of his role from the start and knows probably more about Parliamentary Procedure than the Speaker. Bercow will either get more and more rattled or he will think twice before challenging him because of his own inadequacies. Time will tell.

When somebody says they do not like him / hate him because of his views for the most part they are saying they dislike/hate the Catholic Religion he chooses to follow, as do millions of others. The irony of that is MP's on BOTH sides of Parliament hold similar views because of their religion but the dislike/hatred of Rees Mogg singles him out.

Rees Mogg is Marmite but Hells bells there are politicians who do far worse and they are practical saints.

Has anyone seen the photo of Mogg in what seems like his fathers jacket. It enormously too big for him.

Some wag suggested that the tailor mistook his imperial measurements for metric.

He is a pretentious poseur, who, after the revues his recent book got is in no position to tell anyone how to write or research or do anything that requires putting pen to paper.

i must say if I worked for him I would enjoy winding him up with an endless string of trivial mistakes that would only irritate a pretentious bore.

Now where is my copy of Fowler's Dictionary of Modern English Usage. I am sure I could find some minor grammatical solecism there to tie him in knots.

Correction:
If you wish to book a trip with myself, please see myself after the meeting

I am pleased to note that Yourself is banned and I presume that 'Myself' is banned too - it is a favourite of tour guides and certain other professions and it is irritating in the extreme when used in the wrong context, eg:

"If you wish to book a trip with myself, please see me after the meeting"
"The coach will arrive to pick up yourself at 8:00 am."
et cetera

I do think that there is a case to be made for the correct use of Plain English and sloppy grammar could be a reflection of sloppy work. But pedantry can be taken too far (see what I did there? )

Indeed Trisher 'Watch out for what he chooses to pick on next (women's right to choose anyone?)'

a bit difficult this, with people like Boris and his 'partners' - apparently.

Watch out for what he chooses to pick on next (women's right to choose anyone?)

Exactly trisher . The preferred use of vocabulary and grammar are probably just the tip of this particular iceberg .

That's no excuse eazybee sloppy use of technology is not acceptable. There is a difference between using correct English and refusing to accept language because you simply don't like it. As for GN posters if you believe in standards you should apply them otherwise what use are they apart from providing a reason to criticise others?
By the way Preview probably contracts two spaces to one because that is the commonly used format today. So what some seem to be sayng is that JRM can use any old fashioned standards he chooses because of who he is. Watch out for what he chooses to pick on next (women's right to choose anyone?)

Oh Justme...I hate that expression too! I always say 'children'. I especially dislike 'grandkids'....it sounds so common.

Never under-estimate the joker in the pack, look at all the attention he has brought upon himself - sorry for any grammatical mistakes. The whole point is of course if what you have written is interesting, then it will hold the readers' attention (apostrophe?), whether it is official language or not. My pet hate is still, and always will be "KIDS" unless of course you are talking about goats, about which I know nothing.

I wonder if it is a peculiarly British trait to ridicule and apparently despise attention to grammar, punctuation, spelling and vocabulary? The people I know for whom English is a second language are extremely particular about using it as correctly as possible, and ask to be corrected if they make a mistake.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has issued his instructions for the use of his staff in their work correspondence, not for people choosing to contribute to Gransnet.

There is nothing to be gained by sneering at people who wish to share their own high standards with others.

[ In Preview, two spaces following a full-stop appear to contact into one.]

Labaik....nice to see that someone actually reads my posts. I think they are skimmed past most of the time.

' I presume this means he is raising his children with old-fashioned standards. There's hope for this country after all!' standards such as making money out of something that goes against his religious beliefs and shifting his money to Dublin because of Brexit etc etc

I don't like him, his attitudes or his politics!
But (oops, unacceptable) if he is insisting on this nit-picking level of grammar only for his own communications then that puts a different slant on it.
I'd hate to have letters go out in my name with a level of grammar and syntax that I'd find unacceptable.
If, however, staff feel every email and memo has to be double checked to satisfy his whims, then that might slow things down and make the department less efficient.

Whenever I see JRM or hear him speak, the thought that he is perhaps on the Autistic Spectrum comes to mind. I am no expert, of course, and have no proof but it might explain his other worldly look and behaviour. For this reason, I can’t bring myself to judge him. It may be his way of coping with the world. Who knows?

Sorry many of those approving of JRM's measures would not pass his test. They have failed to use a double space after full stops.

When you think about it, Leader Of The House was made for JRM surely?
A stickler for detail and tradition.
Whether quills will become mandatory is still under discussion with staff apparently, as a few who prefer biros are being stubborn.

Love it! I presume this means he is raising his children with old-fashioned standards. There's hope for this country after all!

From the Guardian:

The official transcript of parliamentary proceedings, Hansard, records more than 700 instances of Rees-Mogg using one or other of the banned words or phrases.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/the-comma-touch-jacob-rees-mogg-sends-language-rules-to-staff

What's he going to do? Mark errors in red pen and make them write it out again for homework?

I agree absolutely annodomini and can’t see why it has occasioned such a furore.
The benefits of a Scottish education <sigh>

JR-M's list of rules is precisely what my close-to-retirement English teacher taught us almost 70 years ago. Obviously Eton College's masters maintained this regime well into the 1970-80s. I think JR-M is younger than my DSs and grammar was unknown to that generation in English comprehensives.

Minister wanting his correspondence to be written in understandable English

Some of this 'English' has been around for so long that I'm sure that most people, however much they might wince at it, understands it just fine.

I'm hard put to understand what is so reprehensible about words like 'equal' and 'invest'; though I can see that the first has no attraction for JRM (he probably doesn't know what it means) and the second is complete anathema when applied to public spending. I've no doubt it's fine when coupled with a scheme which would make him some profit.

What ever makes anyone think that civil servants don’t uphold standards of spelling etc.

The man is a fool.

Believing it is important and having to work harder to uphold standards of spelling and grammar and politeness may encourage the MPs to think more about maintaining good standards in other areas of life as well as politics. Something which would benefit the whole country if everyone did the same.