A very English Brexit

Since when have the French refused British goods...(apart from probably mad cows) they ve always been strangely found of baked beans, bacon, English tea, culture, parliamentary system and quaint customs. They (and the other 26) have admired the English for years and are feeling let down and, frankly, sad!
we all vote for the EU MEPs. you cannot have the same type of democracy for 27/28 countries than for one country. I think what is happening here now should make you think about UK's democracy ... anon elected government thinking of ignoring parliament, a referendum led like a tombola, full mof lis and manipulation....the list is long.
What has the EU done that harmed you personally?

Craicon - actually BJ did support Turkey joining the EU. In an article in the Telegraph (27/09/2016) he is quoted as saying that Britain would support Turkey's campaign to join and there is also a video of him on You tube on the same subject.

Borntosew, I do understand how you feel. It really does get people showing their true colours, doesn't it. The best thing is to stick to the non-political threads.

Personally I am very pleased that so many of the older generation are still concerned about what is happening in our country. They haven't retired from life just because they have grown old.

Yet again too much them and us. WE ARE PART OF THE THEM sorry for the shout but it feels necessary.

I saw a film clip this morning which I will change slightly for the sake of politeness. Leaving the EU is like booking into a hotel and going to your room, pulling back the bed covers and using the bed as a loo. Then you realise that you still have to sleep in it!

Yes, the rich are making money out of it so we keep hearing how bad the EU is. I accept that there is much wrong with it as there is with our own parliament but surely we should work out whether it is better to be in or out, not just complain about what's wrong.

Sometimes when I'm waiting for a but I will hear "it was so much better before they changed it to a number 4". Perhaps it was but they are still using the bus instead of walking.

Not wanting to add any more ire to this fiery post this morning, but I thought this John Bird & John Fortune sketch from 1996 sums it up nicely:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6a_weyzkY4&feature=youtu.be

This idea that our financial contribution gets us no benefits is Leave propaganda. We got the benefits of the EU negotiating free trade with over 80 countries, we are now having to count the cost of tearing up dozens of treaties and reinvent the wheel with many dim old Etonians at the helm deciding what is best for them and imposing it on the rest of us whether we like it or not. That’s going to cost far more than our EU contribution. Does anyone believe the £350m a week for the NHS bus lie? My MiL still does, but fortunately she says she’s never voting again. Just because a politician is British doesn’t mean they are any good or have the interests of the country at heart. That’s obvious.

Erm this will not happen if we have our way! Whilst they make all the noise, quietly in the background the remain campaign made up of millions is beavering away. Yes I am part of this so know what's going on.

They expected us to give up and go away. Well we wont. Those who do, are quietly doing it in the background. The media dont want to report it cos it doesnt suit their political agenda

Anyway we dont and wouldnt allow alot of what we do (my part is minuscule in compare) to be known.

Those on the back foot shout the odds. Quietly does, the remainers and anyway you dont show the "enemy" your hand

If they did succeed on taking us out, the battle isnt over either, as the fight will begin to take us back in and fight the future relationship,however it wont be as good a deal as we have now cos the E.U wouldn't allow it.

Incase your wondering the Cons want us out this year cos of the codisal being added to the Lisbon Treaty, that came out in 2009.

The codisal is to stop the greed of the bankers from the banker crash from 2008 happening again where the public have to pay for it and the bankers move their money to offshore tax havens. The cons dont want that nor does Farage who remember is originally a city businessman

The Cons want to turn this country into a tax haven. That is what leave voters, voted for, with the Cons hidden agenda. You didnt know it however you wouldnt have known it, as you were sold a lie

No-one has suggested that Turkey will be joining the EU. Although personally, I don’t see that as a problem.

Benefits of being in the EU...

49hr working time directive that the Tory govt. tried to get out of. Personally, I don’t want my junior doctors and nursing staff working such ridiculously long hours!

EU funded research. Without the money from the EU our Universities will drastically drop down the world university rankings and your grandchildren and great grandchildren won’t thank you for that. They’ll gave to pay to study overseas if they want a quality 3rd level education.

Smoke free workplaces

Cross border policing and European wide arrest warrants. Where do you think European criminals will choose to hang out if the U.K. is no longer part of the EU?

Ditto co-operative counter agency terrorist intelligence services....

Improved consumer protection laws and product labelling rules.

Cleaner beaches.

Very long list of buildings and projects paid for entirely by the EU that wouldn’t have happened if it was left to a Tory govt. Tory govt. policy is to reduce capital expenditure. Look at how they’ve cut the NHS budgets so they can’t even offer basic services without ludicrous waiting lists.

The consultant agreed that it needed doing but I couldn’t even get on a waiting list for my hernia OP in the UK because it wasn’t deemed serious enough. I moved to Ireland and went to see my GP and went straight on the public health list and got it operated on within 6 months.
You’re very mistaken if you still believe that the NHS is the best health service in the world. It’s dropping rapidly down the world rankings as there’s not enough investment in it.

rose the really sad thing is that the working classes are the ones who (as usual) are going to suffer most from the consequences of Brexit. The Westminster wealthy including (especially) the leavers are going to benefit enormously.

What an enormous and successful con-job.

Why is the original post hypocrical?

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I'd direct that question towards Boris Johnson, if I were you. The truth is nobody knows (after three years). I doubt if Johnson knows either, but he might give you a frozen kipper for your efforts.

libra, sadly many of the people on here believe what they want to believe.

Most of the Leave vote came from up here in the North of England, the majority of voters being working-class folk. We feel that those in Westminster are completely out of touch with the common people and welcomed the chance to voice our feelings.

Don't forget that the Conservatives didn't want us to leave the EU, which is why the process has been dragged out for so long.

By the way, in terms of EU immigrants, the highest number are from Poland and the second highest from the Republic of Ireland. As a result of a 1923 agreement, the UK and Ireland have common travel area, which (as far as I'm aware) will not be affected by Brexit.

So, in summary, the UK has total control of non-EU immigration and won't be changing immigration from Ireland. Hmmm!

This is not about the thread today, but I must ask if anybody knows what it will be like when travelling abroad, will we need visas for various countries, will there be a queue at borders or even to acquire a visa, its not easy to plan a journey at present, not knowing anything about the future after 31st October. Any thoughts fellow Gransnetters?

The UK does have control over its borders. We're not in Schengen and never have been. Next please!

I rather think RosieLea that the Northern Irish will never agree to a united Ireland.

As for the Scots. After Brexit they may have another referendum and decide to come out of the United Kingdom but will they be able to afford to rejoin the EU and will they accept the Euro?

I assume you're aware that there are more immigrants from non-EU countries and the UK has never ever relinquished any control over non-EU immigration, so your reasoning is misguided.

Not a chance that Ireland will leave the EU.

We know when we’re on to a good thing!

A total generalisation by the OP GracesGranMK3!

I'm certainly not a member of the upper claaaaaas, yet decided to vote to leave the EU.

For many reasons - I felt our country could no longer keep accepting such high levels of immigration, annual sub to EU ridiculously high, with little benefit to UK. No control of our borders, we are unable to ban EU members with criminal records. If Turkey eventually join the EU, immigration levels will rise enormously.

@Jayemwhite

I know you don’t believe in experts and facts but just in case you’re open to reading...







fullfact.org/europe/reciprocal-benefits/

A few members seem to imply Wales, Scotland and Ireland are ruled by Westminster. Wrong. Ireland is a republic. Northern Ireland (Ulster) is part of the United Kingdom. There is some talk of a return to a Direct Rule of Ulster.

Sorry brexit not brit

I campaigned actively to not enter in the original referendum but when we lost by 2/3 to 1/3 my view was that we had to be wholehearted members. How ever from day one shysters like Cash were determined to undermine that referendum and now demand that a very marginal result is more valid than the result they always rejected supported by the section of the press that supported the Nazis and fascists in the 30s.

It is strange that these ex-etonians have while ensuring that we plebs have to pay the prices for Brit to a man and woman have taken steps to ensure that their family's businesses and wealth has been moved off our shores to various EU countries. A case of do what I say but not what I do

Jayemwhite they are elected