A very English Brexit

CarlyD...I think you're probably right, but there has been a lot of grumbling about the current situation for a long time.

Being more Scottish than English, I'd be interested in seeing what happens in Scotland if they leave us. Will they track down the descendants of Bonnie Prince Charlie and become a kingdom again? I suppose we will need another Hadrians wall on the border.
Can Wales survive economically? Certainly a united Ireland would be the best thing to come out of all this. The alternative would be for Eire to leave the EU too. No need for the 'backstop' then!

Being outside of any organisation (no matter how much it needs adjusting) that has such an impact on our lives is vital in order to change it. The world is shrinking and we can no longer sit on the edge of it pretending no-one else matters - our future is inextricably connected to the rest of the world and we need to be aware who would be our natural allies - inside and outside the UK.

I live in England and voted "REMAIN". Nearly all the people I know voted REMAIN too. "Vote Leave" told more lies than the Remain Campaign but both sides acted shamefully. Now the facts are better understood we are owed a second vote to say Yes or No. I'd still say REMAIN.

Since 2016 about 2 million mainly older voters have passed away and roughly the same number of younger voters have became eligible to vote, the future belongs to the young and they are owed a say. No one voted for the Brexit we are faced with.

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I joined this lovely group of grans to talk about granny things. (Sigh)

Was there a day FredaG when you decided you were too old for politics or are you just not concerned about the future of your children and grandchildren. That seems like a very weird thing to say.

Jayemwhite..couldn’t have put it better....

The Great Hack is a Netflix production. It's not a true life documentary and has been spiced up in an attempt to make it more sensational. Netflix are renowned for doing this sort of thing. Going so far as to blame the young brother of JonBenet Ramsey which put me off their productions.

Nanatoone - absolutely. A lot of people don't seem to realise how much influence Putin has had on this whole sorry mess, not only in the USA via his puppet Trump (who is constantly urging us to leave), but on the fact that he wants the demise of the EU of which Brexit is only the first step. As the EU declines, Putin's confidence will grow - bad news for all of us.

I’m at a loss to understand why grannies are not supposed to discuss news and politics on the news and politics feed of gransnet? If you don’t like news or politics don’t visit the feed! I am intensely interested in what is happening with our politics these days; we are discussing the futures of our children and grandchildren! What is more relevant to grannies? It doesn’t matter what we voted for it is we who are facing huge change which half the country wanted and half did not! That’s a fact and is the clearest outcome of this whole mess. Like it or lump it, it is our mess! Nobody else’s, not the EU - ours! And we have to live with it! But for heavens sake let’s talk about it!

I agree with you LuckyFour. The current situation with Boris at the helm is like walking blindfold off a cliff.

LuckyFour - completely agree. We're done very well out of the EU - we're the 6th richest economy in the world, and we've had over 70 years of peace in Europe. Do we want to risk our children and grandchildren having to sleep in air raid shelters again? Not me.

I just read an interesting article about why the Torres want to leave and how there is no such thing as democracy now that social media is able to target individuals with a specific message to suit their own prejudices. It said that we were a guinea pig in manipulation, and I do strongly believe that as the evidence is so strong. The rich are getting richer throughout this, it is us, the people, who will end up poorer and we will have done this to ourselves. One argument I felt was very strong was that without us, the overriding power in the EU will come from the East (think about that for a moment). This is another aspect that causes great concern to me as it shifts the balance of power away from the West.

A UK farmer once said to me after he had loosened his tongue with a bottle of red wine “we had better not leave the EU they are paying my children’s school fees”

I don't remember the breakup of the United Kingdom ever being mentioned as a possible fallout of Brexit during the Referendum campaign, but it now looks like that's what's coming. Scotland wants another independence vote - and that fact that they voted to stay in the EU means that this time it will probably be a Yes (that's what the polls say). The only way to deal with the Irish border issue will, eventually, be a united Ireland. Won't be much of the UK left. Very sad.

Has anyone watched THE GREAT HACK on Netflix? It shows how Cambridge Analytica won the Trump campaign and influenced Brexit. It's fascinating and horrifying.

FredaG. - this is a granny issue like any other. We are not only concerned about our own future but the futures of our children and grandchildren. I think we are always safer in a group than on our own.

I agree with Rosie Lea

I am elderly, I voted many years back, for TRADE with Europe, I do not recall anyone of my area voting or wanting political union with European countries.

I think "they" have taken over the good that could have come from the Union of countries for trade..

as the Irish,Scots and Welsh, (well some of them) observe, being governed by London/Westminster is not for them,, too diverse... as is where I live the South West of England,

too much central, ie. Westminster/London,,

but will they ever learn? call them what you will, "ruling classes" ruin so many lives...

I voted out of the political Union, nothing to do with migrants,, who is that to tell me that I voted out because of migrants? sorry should that be immigrants! whatever.. I voted out of the political union, the cost to keep even more political bosses in a state of life that so many of us can`t afford.

I am a mixed up Conservative, cos many of the Socialist views I agree with..

however, not the current views of either right/left or whatever sides of the political arguments

Gosh, one visit to Brussels and you knew all that Legs55. You truly are a special person.

You are sadly right I fear growstuff

I agree with Growstuff, the toffs are very slick talking and persuade folk that the faults in society are due to the EU rather than their own penny pinching policies

... there are no English representatives in the Scottish or Welsh assemblies.

I was suggesting that there is no English "Assembly" and that this might be part of the problem.

Aepgirl I rarely comment on political issues on here. My only comment is that following a visit to the EU building in Brussels in 1988 I came to the conclusion that the EU only saw the UK as a "cash cow", wanted our money but no respect for our contribution in any other way. I've wanted to Leave for over 30 years, nothing to do with prejudice/immigration etc. My opinion & nobody else's opinion would have changed my mind.

Tin hat on & back behind the barricades

Sorry, Brussels 'rules' everybody in the UK - using an unelected, unaccountable team, who love to dispense your money with open hands. They build motorways in Madeira, bridges in Barcelona, and 'support' Welsh sheep farmers with our own money, all the while despising us and refusing (French) to put our products on the shelves of their supermarkets.

I would rather go to the dentist - just off - than read such tripe.

I joined this lovely group of grans to talk about granny things. (Sigh)

Despite the Brexit propaganda, no one is “ruled” by Brussels. All members have an equal say, unlike the UK parliament, much of which is unelected ( H of Lords), so we are more undemocratic.

A don't apologise. Very shrewd. Have regularly observed the downward spiral of political topics on this site. I consider myself extremely interested in politics but would never comment here.

You just did. You are now part of the downward spiral. Possibly a large part as your post was so contentious Kim19.