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Corbyn as caretaker

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loopyloo Thu 15-Aug-19 07:08:15

What do people think about that?

quizqueen Thu 15-Aug-19 21:35:14

We've got China/Hong Kong and Iran/everyone on the brink of declaring war and what we certainly don't need is someone who thinks if he offers a cup of tea and a chat to someone, it will cure all the ills in the world.

Cindersdad Thu 15-Aug-19 21:34:17

Corbyn is only out for Corbyn. We need a People's Vote and not a general election. A government of national unity yes but led by Ken Clark or Harriet Harman as Caroline Lucas suggested. Brexit is bad for Britain and it has to be stopped.

Grany Thu 15-Aug-19 21:26:46

Well Said Gagajo and Barmeyoldbat smile

Barmeyoldbat Thu 15-Aug-19 21:18:22

Many of you say JC is not fit to lead, well Boris certainly isn't. Thank you Gagajo for agreeing, I am only Barmeyoldbat because that is what my dear gd called me over a disagreement over my house rules.

Anniebach Thu 15-Aug-19 21:09:10

I agree with all who say Corbyn is not fit to lead the LP,

GrannyGravy13 Thu 15-Aug-19 21:04:32

jura2 Day6, I agree, JC is not fit to lead the LP let alone the UK

Day6 Thu 15-Aug-19 20:50:31

The blackmailing last minute sheer opportunism of JC is sickening - and we can all see that McCluskey is pulling all the strings

Spot on Jura. We agree.

jura2 Thu 15-Aug-19 20:48:08

We need a Ref on the current situation, and a GE next- not t'other way round, as Peston rightly says.

The blackmailing last minute sheer opportunism of JC is sickening - and we can all see that McCluskey is pulling all the strings.

jura2 Thu 15-Aug-19 20:43:44

Grandad : 'I am a person who believes that the result of the referendum should be upheld. However, I am totally against Britain leaving the EU on a no-deal basis, for that way would be total economic disaster for the United Kingdom.

A General Election is the only way forward out of the largest political and constitutional crisis this nation faced in more than seventy-five years.'

how does that work? How does a GE solve the fact that there is NO new Deal, no better Deal, no cake and eat it Deal. No solution to the backstop. I am sorry, but it just does NOT make any sense. How can we uphold the results (of that fraudulent Ref) and not end up with No Deal - if the Deal you and Corbyn, etc, are aksing for does not and cannot, exist?

Day6 Thu 15-Aug-19 20:41:50

abjectly poor" Is he? Do you only vote for the hideously rich then Day 6?

Oh dear GGMK3 - Corbyn IS an abjectly poor politician. Perhaps you are unaware that the word poor can be applied in other ways - or are you hung up about wealth? I do hope you haven't been infected with the politics of envy?

Just for information, other ways in which to use the word poor (and most of them apply to Corbyn.)

POOR - of a low or inferior standard or quality

synonyms
substandard, below standard, below par, bad, deficient, defective, faulty, imperfect, inferior, mediocre

GagaJo Thu 15-Aug-19 19:56:17

Thank you not-so Barmeyoldbat . Couldn't agree more.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 15-Aug-19 19:27:41

That wasn't quite what I said Varian. The first step is to stop a no-deal Brexit. To do that those who want to remain and those who would accept a "leave" with a deal will have to work together. Then we have a chance of working out a deal that can, with no-deal and remain, be put to the country. I think we will still have some way to go before we finish.

varian Thu 15-Aug-19 19:05:41

I agree with you GracesGranMK3. We have to pull out all the stops to finish this brexit nonsense for once and for all.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 15-Aug-19 19:02:24

Varian, I think it will take every MP who doesn't want a no deal to turn this around. Now is the time for a level of compromise from all and woe beside those who don't.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 15-Aug-19 18:55:12

As much as I am not in favour of a second referendum, I feel that after three years of “numpty politics” it may bring the situation to a conclusion one way or another.

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Aug-19 18:52:44

If the European Comision agrees to an extension of Article fifty while a Geneal Election is organised then that the desition should take no more than two weeks, probably less.

Parliament is prorogued while that election is conducted with the Temperary government in a caretaker role during that period. The foregoing is no different to present long-standing practice.

I am a person who believes that the result of the referendum should be upheld. However, I am totally against Britain leaving the EU on a no-deal basis, for that way would be total economic disaster for the United Kingdom.

A General Election is the only way forward out of the largest political and constitutional crisis this nation faced in more than seventy-five years.

It should be remembered that a cross-party National Unity Government seen Britain through five years of enormous crisis beginning in 1940.

varian Thu 15-Aug-19 18:50:28

The aim of Remainers (majority of UK citizens who want to remain in the EU) is to Revoke Article 50 and thereby kill off brexit so we remain in the EU.

For us the big compromise would be a second referendum as we are all well aware how the fraudulent referendum of 2017 was won by foriegn interference, lies and cheating and of course the same malign forces (Arron Banks et al) would step up their activities the next time round.

So I, personally, would support an interim government led by Corbyn or anyone else who promised to Revoke Article 50.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 15-Aug-19 18:44:39

It won't be us who decides. I would rather it was not a leader of any of the opposition parties for the few weeks it will take. It just needs to be someone who all those MPs who do not want a no-deal Brexit can get behind. If anyone loses the chance by standing on their dignity they will not be forgiven. Equally I do think Corbyn had to stand up and be counted first to get the whole thing going.

MaizieD Thu 15-Aug-19 18:43:51

The Lib Dems /Greens do not want an extention to Article 50. They want a Refendum but preferably NO Brexit.

Of course they'll support an extension to A50. Why wouldn't they? By September there will be barely any time to organise a referendum or a GE.

What happens to the day to day running of the country whilst the so called Party of Unity has gained it's coup against the government?

The country is able to run 'day to day' without a government. The civil service can tick it over.

It will have to do it anyway in the run up to Oct 31st if Johnson isn't stopped as he has no intention of putting any bills before Parliament which could possibly be amended to allow Parliament to take control.

varian Thu 15-Aug-19 18:36:05

Grandad I think you know very well that the leader of the Liberal Democrats is Jo Swinson, not Jo Swinton. So please get her name right. It's not that difficult.

As for comrade Corbyn. He has been a huge disappointment to so many in the Labour Party and beyond.

He claimed to have voted Remain, in line with the vast majority of Labour MPs, Labour Party members and Labour voters and yet he has consistently failed to do anything at all to stop brexit., unlike Jo Swinson and all the Liberal Democrats who have resisted the nonsense that is brexit ever since the fraudulent referendum of 2016.

POGS Thu 15-Aug-19 18:33:38

Grandad

"The first function would be to gain agreement with the European Commission to further extend article fifty and in that avoid a no-deal Brexit"

The second function would be to call a General election.

It would be as simple and straight forward as the above. Should Corbyn or that temporary administration try to stay in office beyond that or carry out more than that, then a motion of no confidence would remove it in the same way as this Tory shambles of a government was removed."
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The Lib Dems /Greens do not want an extention to Article 50. They want a Refendum but preferably NO Brexit.

So why would the follow Corbyn?

Of course they want a General Election, Corbyn/Labour have obstructed the possibility of a Withdrawal Agreement because a General Election has been ' the goal' all along.

How many votes of No Confidence can the public expect to witness if Corbyn doesn't do as proposed. W

What happens to the day to day running of the country whilst the so called Party of Unity has gained it's coup against the government?

Which Party is in control of decision making for the country if not the largest party and what happens when nobody agrees?

Grandad1943 Thu 15-Aug-19 18:21:10

Corbin has stated that a cross-party supported government would carry out just two primary functions.

The first function would be to gain agreement with the European Commission to further extend article fifty and in that avoid a no-deal Brexit

The second function would be to call a General election.

It would be as simple and straight forward as the above. Should Corbyn or that temporary administration try to stay in office beyond that or carry out more than that, then a motion of no confidence would remove it in the same way as this Tory shambles of a government was removed.

Barmeyoldbat Thu 15-Aug-19 18:17:57

Well at the risk of having you all jump down my throats I would rather JC than Boris. I think its a perfectly good idea. Vote of no Confidence, JC caretaker PM, Brexit delayed (forever?) GE and referendum. JC being a caretaker pm doesn't mean he will be the future PM that will be decided in a GE. and JC couldn't be any worse than then boorish Boris.

POGS Thu 15-Aug-19 18:16:07

Grandad

" In the above, all can see once again that Swinton and the Liberal Democrats will always support the Tory Party even when the interests of this whole nation are at stake.

Lib Dems, nothing else but a Tory Party mark two."
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I will have a pop at the Lib Dems but for goodness sake the Lib Dems have from day one NOT supported the Conservatives over the Refendum Result. They have vociferously fought to upset the Conservative Party at every turn.

Grany Thu 15-Aug-19 18:15:26

It's about a VONC in Boris to stop a no deal if parties don't get behind this for instance LIbDems there will be a no deal Brexit simple