Corbyn as caretaker

So staunch Corbynites support Labour and Libs forming a unity government, consider the leader of the Libs to be Tory but that’s ok if it means Corbyn being a caretaker PM ?

Eloethan

You make my point for me once again.

Posters want a Unity Government but they also attack, dislike a party that is required to make up the numbers. How can lead to or be seen as a United Government?

Posters have promoted ' tactical voting' and said if that meant voting Lib Dem then so be it. Some have said that is what they have done!

Yet in the same breath they think the Lib Dems are liars, Jo Swinson ' Engages her mouth before she engages her brain', ' She is too immature to hold the leadership post'
but hypocritically think the Lib Dems should be in power as part of a Unity Government, as long as Corbyn is the Prime Minister their principles about what they truly think of the Lib Dems can be what forgotten?

It will be seen by the public, not activists, for what it is a Disunity Party made up of parties who hold no genuine like or respect for each other, will continue to fight like cats in a sack, have no consensus as to what their position is over the EU/UK Referendum Result or whether their position is to Remain or Leave. It is a continuation of the same old, same old political flip flopping but Corbyn would be in power so what the hell, job done.

They only agreement between them is whatever the people vote for we will ignore it if it doesn't suit us.

I still feel Corbyn had to say what he said. It isn't, or isn't only, a change in the backstop that is needed to get a parliamentary majority. I think that, even if they came up with something acceptable on that many would not be able to vote for the current Political Declaration as the far-right minority want a Canada Style agreement. I just can't see them getting a majority when that is what they are aiming for.

Maize, whether you are tired of others expressed opinion or not isn't going to stop them holding it.

I know, GG2 . Just finding it annoyingly hypocritical in that particular instance...

Sorry Maizie, my Kindle changed you name. It seems a very determined machine at times.

Maize, whether you are tired of others expressed opinion or not isn't going to stop them holding it. It's unlikely I will ever to forgive leavers but that doesn't stop them holding the views they do.

It seems to me that none of our leaders are people held in high esteem by a majority in the county. That, surely brings us back to the position of supporting the policies of whichever party appeals to us. I, for one, would be very happy to ignore the politics of personality.

Well thought of.

Resurgam123

He is the invisible man because the billionaire newspapers won't report positively instead four years of attacks don't want a Socialist Labour government

If you see him at the many rallies he is not invisible huge following. Fantastic transformative polices for the many, so badly needed now.

I guess other countries see things differently

In Denmark Jeremy Corbyn has a lot of supporters! We would love to have a Jeremy Corbyn in Denmark!"

[A. Rosenlund]

"We need a Jeremy Corbyn in Ireland too".

[M. Ashcroft]

"We love him in Sweden too, but recognise the need for him to stay in Britain. Therefore, I shall go there instead, to participate in one of the rallies".

[L. Svensson]

#CommonSenseSocialism all the way

We need him in the UK, urgently and desperately.

Corbyn is a huge disappointment to me.
A let down and we don't seem to have a viable alternative.
To me has always been the invisible man .
Yes RosieLeah is right .

These were the points that Grany listed:

•warned against rises in the minimum wage
• defended Tory tribunal fees
• voted to scrap the EMA allowance for poor pupils
• voted for cuts in disability payments
• backed the hated Bedroom Tax
• voted to triple tuition fees
• voted to bomb several Muslim countries
• backed austerity throughout

I've now had a look at her voting record too and it also includes:

Voted against higher benefits for people unable to work through long term illness or disability;
Voted for increasing VAT;
Consistently voted against raising tax for higher earners;
Voted against taxes on bankers' bonuses;
Voted for selling England's state-owned forests;
Voted against greater regulation for fracking;
Voted against greater regulation of gambling;
Voted for privatisation of Royal Mail;
Voted for restricting the scope of Legal Aid.

Aside from more liberal views on drugs, same-sex marriage, and LGBT issues and an overwhlmingly pro-remain stance, there seems to be very little difference between the Lib Dems' views and those of the Conservative Party. So much so that I wonder why someone holding such views would not just join the Conservative Party.

Eloethan

I am not particularly arguing the ' facts' as you see them.

I am saying if these are the feelings of those who want Corbyn to be the Prime Minister of a Unity Government then don't be shallow and get into bed with them. The Lib Dems appear to offend greatly Corbyn supporters and those who advocate a Unity Government if the last few posts are reflective of Corbyn supporters.

Who is Corbyn pleading to to get a Unity Government if not the Lib Dems?

Why is he wasting his time trying to bring them on board and follow him as an unelected Unity Government Prime Minister?

Who do you and those who apparently dislike, hold such negative feelings about the Lib Dems think could make up the numbers required to form an unelected Unity Government?

A key point for me, however, was that the Lib Dems were willing to join the Conservative Party and support its austerity programme.

I'm getting very tired of hearing this particular trope. Most of the country 'supported' the tory austerity programme. It is the dominant economic theory, that the national budget is somehow like a household budget and that if the country has overspent it has to make cuts to get solvent again. Just about any one of you on here will support that theory, particularly if you are about to condemn Labour plans for investment in public services and infrastructure. Where is the money coming from you all demand, Labour will bankrupt the country.. Yet the tories can spend £billions on Brexit without a murmer from anyone

Although I think that anyone who supported austerity is misguided, because it was not economically sound, anything else would have had the media and the electorate throwing up their hands in horror at how profligate the government or the politician was being. Labour was proposing nothing much better in its 2015 manifesto.

So please stop condemning Swinson for it. Practically the whole country bought the myth. A great deal of the advanced economies still buy it.

POGS Jo Swinson has certainly not demonstrated a willingness to support a unity government.

What Grany set out are facts, not opinions. I don't pay much attention to the Lib Dems but JS has in the past come across to me as OK. Having read Grany's list, though, I realise I was sadly ignorant about JS's voting record. A key point for me, however, was that the Lib Dems were willing to join the Conservative Party and support its austerity programme. JS appears to be a prime example of that. This is not insulting or unfairly characterising her actions but is simply a statement of the facts.

It is easy for the Lib Dems to be united because there are so few of them and their main focus is to campaign to remain, on which they are all agreed.

Corbyn sat in sunlight on a hot day for a life tv debate before an invited audience , it was on tv until the evening.

He refused to appear on all tv debates with the leaders of other parties. Not one of his alleged rallies were televised

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-denies-went-holiday-8456594

Blimey. As the saying goes ' you couldn' t make it up '

According to those who advocate a Unity Government and are Corbyn supporters think Jo Swinson is:-

1). A liar

2). Not an' avid ' Remainer

3) A Tory enabler.

4) For 2 years between 2015-2017: Tweeted about
weddings, shoes, cats & tea

5) Blamed everyone else for the Brexit result.

6). Engages her mouth before she engages her brain.

7) Lib Dems won' t get very far with her at the helm.

8). She is too immature to hold the leadership post.

9) She is Leader of the Lib Dems because they have
such a small pool of MPs to chose from.

Bloody hell if that is what Corbyn supporters and those in favour of a Unity Government think of the Lib Dems it proves their is no unity. It would be a sham 'Unity' Government.

The Disunity Government will still be fighting like cats in a sack, no end game they can agree on, they disagree over Article 50, Remain or Leave, negotiate don't negotiate, probably what questions would be on a 2nd Referendum etc.

The only thing missing is the Lib Dems will consistently refuse to accept the democratically voted for Refendum Result from 2016 to God knows when unless the result is to Remain in the EU. They won't ever accept a vote to Leave but call for a Refendum they may or may not respect and think that is holding the higher ground.

AAhhh, all the above is just "Project Fear."

Oh, apologies someone has just informed me that all above in whitewaves and Granys lists comes from this governments own documents that have been leaked to the press.?

Good job that Jeremy Corbyn did not put out thse lists, otherwise it would have been denounced by some on this forum as extream leftwing Momentum/Marxist Labour Party propaganda intended to end democracy in this country for ever. ??

I think really that Swinson seems too immature to hold the leadership post. The problem the LDs have had is that they have such a small pool of MPs to chose from.

Excellent post Grany, sets the record straight on Jeremy Coybyns activity during the referendum campaign.

As for Jo Swinson, seems she has already gained a reputation for engaging her mouth before she engages her brain.

Cannot see the LibDems getting very far with her at the helm.

Again great post Grany.

Interesting Grany - initially thought she was going to be the saviour of LD but after reading that, not so much.....

Well said Grany!

Jo Swinson lied on the today programme about Corbyn taking a two week holiday but would not apologise.

But is there a kind of sense to the rather sad ploy? After all, a commitment to stopping Brexit is the LibDems’ sole credible selling point – isn’t it?

Well, not that big a commitment as it turns out, when you dig into it – at last on Ms Swinson’s personal part.

In May 2016 – the last full month of the Brexit referendum campaign – you’d expect any avid remainer to be talking about nothing but the importance and advantages of remaining in the EU. However. Jo Swinson’s Twitter feed for the month contains not one tweet mentioning the referendum – just one retweet of a call to register to vote.

By contrast, Jeremy Corbyn was in the middle of conducting a remain campaign that led centrist MP Angela Eagle to observe that it would have exhausted a man half his age.

During the 46-day EU referendum campaign, Corbyn:

• travelled 5,851 kilometres on referendum campaigns
• spoke at 15 remain rallies
• Sent 100 remain tweets that were shared 33,760 times
• appeared 120 times in the media
• appeared on Marr, Peston & The Last Leg

Corbyn also took part in a live, televised debate with an invited sky audience to argue for Labour’s remain position. The Labour leader sat in direct sunlight on a hot day but answered questions from the audience thoughtfully, calmly and in an informed fashion.

Of course, her record of supporting Tory austerity is another matter. On that, she does have a considerable list of activity – though one she clearly still wants us to forget. Swinson:

• warned against rises in the minimum wage
• defended Tory tribunal fees
• voted to scrap the EMA allowance for poor pupils
• voted for cuts in disability payments
• backed the hated Bedroom Tax
• voted to triple tuition fees
• voted to bomb several Muslim countries
• backed austerity throughout

That record is fully attested:

Jo Swinson career summary:

2010-2015: Voted with the Tories 849 times to create the atmosphere of resentment that lead to Brexit

2015-2017: Tweeted about weddings, shoes, cats & tea

2017-19: Blamed everyone else for the Brexit result

If he had put the same time and energy during the referendum campaign, but no, he went on holiday and refused to take part in tv debates

In the question and answer session in Corby today, Jeremy Corbyn called for MPs' holidays to end and Parliament to be recalled. "Do we support the recall of Parliament? Yes indeed, I have made that very clear. We do support the recall of Parliament."

Number 10 made clear that this is not going to happen.

What is the Labour leader up to? It's summer after all. Most MPs are feet up beach side on their sun loungers!

The leader of the rebels Phil Hammond is away from London all week and David Gauke was last seen bobbing about in a swimming pool with an inflatable unicorn floating behind him.

The Labour leader must know that Parliament will never be recalled by a Government terrified of what nefarious means House of Commons speaker John Bercow will find to stop the UK leaving without a deal agreed with the European Union on October 31.

And he knows that hardly any Tory MPs (well, apart from Guto Bebb MP who is leaving Parliament) will want to support him to be Prime Minister.

Instead, Mr Corbyn is focusing on his plans for when Parliament returns on September 3. MPs say that the party has cancelled all leave for Labour MPs in the second week of September, raising speculation that he is planning a no confidence vote for that week.

Grandad1943 Come the revolution!

Day6 £25 to vote in the leadership race. Get yer facts straight luv.