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Corbyn as caretaker

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loopyloo Thu 15-Aug-19 07:08:15

What do people think about that?

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 14:50:56

Grany, Do you have any idea what Corbyn is suggesting for young people who already have student fee debts? Is he intending to refund them?

POGS Mon 19-Aug-19 14:49:32

Grany et al

That is Corbyn/Labour's General Election speech but what does he get through Parliament if he is Prime Minister of the so called Unity Government which will be time restrictive?

What will Corbyn do as an unelected Prime Minister with regard to EU/UK negotiations / revoking Article 50 / getting a Withdrawal Agreement past Parliament?

The parties who are prepared to join in a Unity Government do not agree with anything other than NO DEAL is not acceptable.

If they get No Deal what then?

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 14:49:29

I don't think people trust him, humptydumpty. The rebel Tories, LDs, SNP, Plaid and Greens want to repeal Article 50 or at least have a second referendum, if the only alternative is "no deal" (I think). Corbyn just wants a general election, which he's in danger of losing.

Corbyn says he can negotiate a better deal with the EU, but that's highly doubtful, so the question is whether he would take the UK out of the EU, because it's quite obvious that he's a Leaver at heart.

That's my understanding, anyway. Happy to be proved wrong.

Grany Mon 19-Aug-19 14:33:40

Dinahmo

Agree plenty to go on, here are a few more #GeneralElectionNow
✅ Green Industrial Revolution
✅ An end to austerity
✅ Save our NHS
✅ No more tuition fees
✅ 1 million new homes
✅ £10 minimum living wage
✅ Ending homelessness
✅ Ethical and moral foreign policy
✅ Immediate ban on fracking

Anniebach Mon 19-Aug-19 14:24:38

If Corbyn’s first concern was sorting out the brexit mess he should accept he isn’t trusted by many so why can he not stand down for an interim period

humptydumpty Mon 19-Aug-19 14:06:49

TBH although I don't fancy the idea of JC as PM I don't really know what the beef is - it's only an interim measure prior to a GE so why does it matter so much?

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 13:57:18

The rebel Tories won't accept Corbyn as PM. They're needed to make up the numbers.

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 13:56:20

Would he refund all the students with outstanding loans?

Sorry, but that sounds like pie in the sky and likely to lead to all sorts of resentment from the 20 somethings with existing debt.

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 13:51:43

Dinahmo, exactly. In other words, common sense. Rather than greed and theft from the alternative.

I wish. But selfishness prevails unfortunately.

POGS Mon 19-Aug-19 13:50:01

Jeremy Corbyn restated today he is the only one eligible to become Leader of a Unity Government as he is the Leader of the Opposition.

He is not willing to stand aside for another Leader albeit for an interim period.

So it looks like a Unity Government can only be with Corbyn as Prime Minister.

Dinahmo Mon 19-Aug-19 13:47:57

I saw most of JC's speech today and he was talking sense about the need to get rid of the right wing Tory government which has been responsible for the many ills that have befallen our country during the last 10 years.

He is in favour of re-nationalising water, the national grid, rail transport and the post office. (I think most people are in favour of some or all of these)

He wants to protect the NHS from American private health care companies. As we should be aware BJ and his cronies are in favour of trade deals with the US and the NHS is one of the American targets.

He doesn't want to increase the pension age to 75 - obvious that one because a large chunk of his core support wouldn't be able to work to 75

He wants to bring back the youth services that this government cut/destroyed - one of the reasons for the increase in crime amongst and by young people.

No tuition fees for university students and also support for vocational students, apprenticeships.

Some form of rent control and laws to make tenants more secure.

Education from the cradle to the grave. Given longevity and the changing world this is essential for most of us.

Higher taxation for those multinationals that have businesses in the UK

Higher taxes for the extremely wealthy. this does not mean that anyone is jealous of wealthy individuals.

He wants to recall parliament early, have a vote of no confidence and an early GE. If the Tories are defeated he wants to offer the public a new vote with clearer choices, including remain.

I can't remember anything else but surely the above is enough to go on.

Grany Mon 19-Aug-19 12:53:03

In Denmark Jeremy Corbyn has a lot of supporters! We would love to have a Jeremy Corbyn in Denmark!"

[A. Rosenlund]

"We need a Jeremy Corbyn in Ireland too".

[M. Ashcroft]

"We love him in Sweden too, but recognise the need for him to stay in Britain. Therefore, I shall go there instead, to participate in one of the rallies".

[L. Svensson]

#CommonSenseSocialism all the way

We need him in the UK, urgently and desperately.

POGS Sun 18-Aug-19 20:40:49

Hells bells.

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Jabberwok Sun 18-Aug-19 16:08:19

Well POGS, that answers that!!!!!!! Clear as mud!! Mind you don't ask again!! and DON'T shout!!

POGS Sun 18-Aug-19 15:32:50

Keep um coming.

Lessismore Sun 18-Aug-19 15:24:54

hilarious, the cabal.....Is the Tory Party leave or remain.....oh hang on , it isn't really a party it's some Tories and some people with vile, outmoded and offensive ideas...the DUP.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 18-Aug-19 15:22:54

No pogs simply tired of the same question which has been tediously asked for about 2 years at least now.

POGS Sun 18-Aug-19 15:20:40

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growstuff Sun 18-Aug-19 15:15:05

So why the aggression towards others?

POGS Sun 18-Aug-19 15:14:09

Growstuff

"Good grief! Were you a Sergeant Major in a former life, POGS? There's no point in demanding and "shouting". Nobody can give you an answer to your question."
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How kind of you.

At least you answered:-

" Nobody can give you an answer to your question."

Whitewavemark2 Sun 18-Aug-19 15:06:15

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Callistemon Sun 18-Aug-19 15:04:35

Nobody can give you an answer to your question
grin

POGS that's because nobody knows, not even the leader!

growstuff Sun 18-Aug-19 15:04:24

Ah! I see you have answered your own question:

It is not plausible and that is why nobody can say a simple Yes or No to the question ' Is Labour a Party of LEAVE or REMAIN.

So why SHOUT at people on Gransnet, who really can't give you an answer?

POGS Sun 18-Aug-19 15:03:13

Maizie d

"Didn't Johnson vote for the WA? It was scuppered by the ERG group."
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Yes he did vote for the Withdrawal Agreement 3rd time round. I believe contrary to what many believe I don't think Johnson is a member of the ERG. Happy to be corrected.

As for this continual blaming the ERG for the ' absolute faure' of the Withdrawal Agreement not passing through Parliament it is a convenient method of letting Labour/Greens/Lib Dems et al off the hook.

If they had voted for the Withdrawal Agreement the ERG numbers would be insignificant.

growstuff Sun 18-Aug-19 15:00:46

Good grief! Were you a Sergeant Major in a former life, POGS? There's no point in demanding and "shouting". Nobody can give you an answer to your question.