Corbyn as caretaker

Nobody is talking about limiting their friendship circle. Most of the people I know voted Remain and are horrified at the way things have turned out. They've been friends for rather more than the last 3 years; I think it speaks more about similarity of ideas and beliefs. Which is usually why people are friends in the first place.

Rather immature really.

Just listen to yourself. What a stupid, smug thing to say...

Pantglasl, your quote sums up my life as well.

""My friends vary from extreme Brexiters to absolute Remainers and then there are those of us us middle of the roaders trying to find a way out of this debacle""

I too have friends and family on both side and we are all getting along as well as ever. Lively discussions never descend into name calling .

Refreshing and from what I can gather the norm amongst the quiet majority.

There was a poll somewhere, Jeremy Vine mentioned it. I don't recall the stats but it appears that Remainers would refuse to date a Leaver.

Also there were T shirts knocking around "never kissed a Bexiteer' akin to the 'never kissed a Tory' nonsense.

It does seem that the Leavers are calmer, better able to maintain good relationships and above all act like grown ups!

To limit your friendship circle to just those who agree with you is extreme. Rather immature really.

Matthew Paris does write for The Times- to which I do not subscribe anymore than I do The Sun - but he is very intelligent and can see what is going on very clearly. He has been very critical of both Johnson and ERG, and Corbyn.

Just found this thread, Corbyn as caretaker, ha ha ha ha. Nothing else to say.

Grandad- apologies for no reply- I have been out to a magical Buskers festival at our local town till now.

I am sorry too that you feel I have not responded to your post. Too late tonight- but I do feel that I did respond. Your mantra last few months has been 'Conference... and Conference... and Conference again'- and my reply has been many times- yes, we all get that- things have changed massively since, we are in an emergency and we need to KNOW UNEQUIVOCALLY what Corbyn's (McCluskey's) position is on Brexit- before we can support him at all. Apart from his desire for a GE, and be PM- we still have NO idea where he truly stands. That, at this emergency stage- is totally unacceptable.

Maybe that’s why they’re your close friends growstuff!

My friends vary from extreme Brexiters to absolute Remainers and then there are those of us us middle of the roaders trying to find a way out of this debacle!

I don't know anybody who thinks the EU is perfect and nearly all my close friends want to remain in the EU, so I think you're wrong, Pantglas.

Apologies for poor punctuation in last post I hope it makes sense.

That's MEPs, so votes in the European Parliament, isn't it, WadesNan? Which isn't at all like our Parliament in that MEPs don't vote on 'party' lines (in other words, not all UK MEPs will vote the same way. MEPs seem to work by groupings of the like minded, not by 'country'. In the European Council of Ministers, which is made up of the chief (or Prime) ministers from each member state all votes have an equal weight and any country, by means of their prime minister's vote, is able to exercise their veto.

So the fact that Germany has more MEPs than the UK is not relevant. The EU is not run by the country which has the most MEPs.

That would mean that tiny states with small populations would have the same number of votes as Germany.

Everyone keeps saying the UK can make a difference inside the EU. In reality it is run by the countries with the most votes - Germany has 96 UK has 73. It would be fairer if each country had the same number of votes.

The EU has repeatedly stated that it intends to abolish “vetoes” in certain areas - how can the UK influence in this scenario?

I agree, good post Pantglas

Isn't it weird how the same little gang sticks together here, bolstering each other up.

Has nobody reviewed their choices and/or felt totally fed up with the whole sorry mess.

Panthlas1 good post??

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim the EU is perfect. As a full member the UK can influence reforms.

I know some Remainers have different ideas on how brexit can best be stopped but by definition all Remainers want us to remain.

I think varian that many remainers see the EU as perfect not needing reform, others see it as a work in progress and others see it as barely working cohesively but preferable to leaving.

Day6, I am not sure in the current political climate in Britain that information posted in the press would be unbiased, especially when it comes from a polling organisation such as YouGov.

In the above, polling organisations realise that it is in the wording of the question you ask, that draws the answer the polling organisation client is looking for,as in the poll you site the Daily Telegraph.

However, every member of this forum has knowledge of exactly where you stand in the current Brexit debate, and that I thoroughly respect Day6 even if we are totally opposite in the views we express.

For that's the way it should be.

GGMK3 I am sorry to say I see no difference at all in the views of any two people who want us to remain in the EU. There is no such thing as an extreme remainer. Either we leave or we remain..

I know that leavers have many different views but how can there possibly be more than one version of remain? If you support a so-called soft brexit because you see that as a compromise that is still leaving, not remaining in the EU.

I am genuinely puzzled about what you mean by different versions of remain.

They terrify me too Anniebach!

Can you put a link in please Day 6.

The first YouGov poll in Google that comes up is "YouGov bid to influence Iraq vote uncovered" from 2018. Not at all sure, on reading that "The polling company YouGov secretly created material for social media as part of a controversial political campaign in Iraq last year, The Daily Telegraph has learnt."

Could this be why the DT uses them?

Anything is preferable to the McClusky/Momentum /Corbyn
government

I'm still trying to work out why 2% of the Brexit Party supporters would vote remain. I suppose there is always a small percentage ... ...

Hear hear Day6 well said.

The Telegraph reveals latest YouGov poll

No-deal Brexit preferable to a Jeremy Corbyn government offering a second referendum, poll finds

I am not sure why Remainers imagine the majority of people are not supporting the government in its efforts to get us out on Oct 31st. They obviously are.

That seems much preferable to the hell that awaits the UK if opportunist Corbyn and his Marxist cronies try to seize power.