Liberal Democrats

Good point Jabberwok, Labour would also buy my shares at under market rate in order to re nationalise railways, post office, utility companies etc. Another reason not to vote for them ever.

I would never vote Labour whilst Corbyn or McDonnel run the party with their Marxist ideology and crackpot ideas. They are contemplating stopping parents giving more than £125k for each child in their lifetime. The majority of parents want to pass on any wealth they have amassed to their children upon their death.

They want to impose a garden tax for people with large gardens and now we see McDonnell is in favour of making BTL landlords sell their rental property to tenants at discount prices even if they don't want to sell.

I am a BT Landlord and has 6 BTL properties which we let to families for reasonable prices at under market rates. We live in house with large garden and would have to pay for BTL gardens too and we will want to leave more than £125 for each child and have not kept a list of what we have given them for uni, cars or house deposits etc.

3 reasons why I would never vote for Labour whilst they pursue these punitive policies.

Even if they did not have these policies they are terrible with fiscal policy and would just borrow borrow borrow getting country into more and more debt which is not fair on future generation.

If an MP in the House of Commons changes party, do they still sit in Parliament as an MP for their new party, or do they have to be elected to sit by their constituents?

But Labour policies are an investment in our country. We can't ignore climate change any longer, we need green policies which will bring good jobs, and people with good jobs pay more in taxation.
The NHS is a very efficient way to look after a nation's health, much cheaper than the US system.

All wonderful things Grany, but how is it to be paid for, including all the re- nationalisation plans?!

Why do some of the elderly on GN say they won't vote for Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party? Thousands of younger people have joined the party, for the first time in their lives becoming enthused by politics. To want a better more equal fairer society. Labour's polices are transformative A green revolution that will create thousands of jobs. Save our NHS from privatisation properly fund it. And so many many more wonderful polices. You know where you stand with Labour look at their manifesto

The Lib Dems voted for all the awful austerity measures. And where is their green credentials, on fracking jo did not vote against fracking and accepted £14000 from a company involved with it. She wants to cull badgers, and another thing, can't remember now.

Labour is very clear on Brexit they want to bring people together leavers and remainers. So a Labour deal brought back to the people with remain as an option. Can't say fairer than that. Johnson wants no deal and Swinson wants remain. People are saying that Corbyn played a blinder got it right.

I know people can vote for who they want their choice I know who I will be voting for Labour for the many. And for my children and grandchild.

Why does Jo Swinson upset you so much, newnanny? Are you a former LibDem voter who is disappointed in the direction of you party? Are you just trying to have a go at somebody from a different party?

joswinson
has been shouted down by her own party members, as she defended the records of ex-Conservative MPs who have joined the party

Fed up of this, you can't bully everyone to think the same way, if the man had health concerns or Tim Farron had beliefs, they are human, if they are your MP don't vote for them, the thought mob bullies just put me off having sympathy for them, especially after the same mob is promoting medication that removes fertility of children, positioning themselves in regulators and positions of power like EHCR etc which encourages science denial along with putting boys in girls toilets, changing rooms and bedrooms at school. I am thinking Tim Farrons book may have had a point looking at the behavior of the mob.

Jo Swinson sounds like a tinpot dictator. She does not like Brexit so she simply dismiss the democratic vote. She should not be allowed to call herself a democrat. She is a disgrace.

It's not just over Brexit either.

Jo Swinson sounds like a tinpot dictator. She does not like Brexit so she simply dismiss the democratic vote. She should not be allowed to call herself a democrat. She is a disgrace.

I am not a Liberal but paid particular attention to Swinson's words on if she was willing to enter into a coalition with either the CP or LP. Her words specifically excluded Johnson and Corbyn she did not exclude the parties.

Having said that the Liberal leaderships have led their party into coalition on two occasions with the CP and at following elections their party was decimated; I argue because their party voters are more anti -tory than they are pro-liberal.

In response to the nieve comment about no party would permit another to choose their party leader I would make two points:
1. Churchill was installed as PM under the insistence of the Labour Party, his own Party was against it.
2. There is no reason that the PM must be the leader of the largest party or even of any Party. All that is required is that they have the confidence of the commons and that they be invited by the Head of State, HRH, to attempt to form a government.

Not that old chestnut! [yawn]

Tripling student fees didn't impoverish students, the vast majority of whom will never pay back the loans.

Student fees always were a middle class subsidy.

What has impoverished student sis the abolition of non-repayable grants by the Conservatives.

The current proposal to reduce the fees to £6,000, but extend the repayment period by five years will make universities poorer and mean that graduates have to pay back more.

Get your facts straight, Piers!

Just watched catch up of Piers Morgan owning Jo Swinson leader of the Liberal Democrat (and political flotsam) Party on GMB. "Are you going to apologise to all the students you impoverished by tripling student loans when you had a sniff of power?" Bring it on Piers.

I am really fed up with the interviewers suggesting that it is undemocratic to attempt to overturn a previous referendum with a General Election. In our democracy what is more democratic than a GE? The silly women on sky was asking "what about the seventeen and a half million who voted to leave? What about them? Does she think they are going to be stopped from voting?

Why ww should you post "I think Swinson it too politically immature to be the leader."

Jo Swinson first became an MP in 2005. She has ministerial experience.

After the LibDems were punished by the voters for going into coalition in the 2015 election she lost here seat in East Dumbartonshire, to the SNP but won it back convincingly in 2017.

She is 39 years old ( and I know that many of us GNetters have children that age or older) but she is absolutlely ready to take on the role of party leader and potential PM.

Compare her with the alternatives - liar buffoon Boris Johnson, who has only ever achieved anything in promoting his own ridiculous persona for the entertainment of the right-wing press and Jeremy Corbyn who sat on his party's backbenches for goodness knows how many years rebelling against everything and so has never held any kind of ministerial position.

Jo Swinson stands head and shoulders above both of these utterly useless men.

Thank you Petra. I will Google and see if I can work out the relevance

Politically immature and false as a 9 bob note.

Verrucca Salt is a person.

It is not just people who are fans of Jeremy Corbyn though, varian, who would be reluctant to vote for the Liberal Democrats led by Jo Swinson. Her policies just seem to be so right wing, judging by her voting record. Please don't go down that road of saying that anyone who wants more fairness in society must therefore be a 'Corbynista '.

I voted to remain and would do so again, but at the same time I can not vote for the sort of Liberal Democrats who supported the austerity that has been one of the drivers behind the vote to leave.

I think Swinson it too politically immature to be the leader.

Ok so what is verrucca salt? Feeling as if I have fallen down a rabbit hole at the moment.

If you are a fan of Jeremy Corbyn, in spite of being a remainer, hunpty, you will probably vote Labour.

However there are many Remainers with serious doubts about Corbyn who may well decide to vote Liberal Democrat.

varian personally I was and still am a remainer, so no beef there; however, as I mentioned earlier, unless CP/LP change leader, JS won't form a coalition with them - so what's the point of voting LD? There's no way they're going to be able to form a government on their own... very disappointing leadership IMHO, bring back Vince Cable.

The Liberal Democrat’s called for a referendum as early as 2008

An interesting turn of phrase. "As early as" as it's really a bit of spin. It would be more correct to say "as long ago as" It was under different circumstances and for very different reasons wasn't it? Once the Maastricht Treaty was signed there were, for the LDs, no relevant reasons to do so. So they stopped. You use News Speak to make your point GG13 but your point is very twisted. From the signing of the MT (1992) there was no need to ask for a referendum and it has not been in their manifesto - why would it be?

It is true that Paddy did say that at the time of the referendum but since then we have discovered that the result was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference and in addition, there was never a suggestion of leaving with no deal. all the dire consequences of brexit have been revealed.