Liberal Democrats

Pogs Lib Dems
why don't they stop a no deal Brexit, all parties backing Labour to stop this happening? Or a no deal Brexit will happen.

and there are 1000s upon 1000s of us

I'm not sure what the Lib-Dems can offer.
To me, they're the default party for voters who have become disillusioned by Tories and Labour.

Grany

I will give the Lib Dems one pat on the back, they have stuck to their guns over their refusing to accept the EU Referendum from day one.

Why should the Lib Dems back Corbyn?

They see the Labour Party in their sights at the next General Election, the Conservatives also. They have a different position to Labour who have not even made clear if they are a Remain or Leave Party.

"They would prefere to support a temporary government led by someone other than Corbyn who had cross party support."
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Hells Bells.

Those who have challenged the perfectly legitimate act of a Party Leadership changing hands from within their party are perfectly content to promote an ' absolute unvoted for ' Leader when it suits.

Can hypocrisy be shouted much louder?

How on earth could MP's such as Ken Clark and Harriet Harman become Leader as being mooted. Even I would say that was undemocratic.

The numbers and protocol if adhered to are in Corbyns favour to be the Leader as he is the Leader of the 2nd largest party. However both Precidence and Principles have been shoved to one side during this Parliament and his acceptance of that happening could prove to be something he might have to accept.

RT may well stand for 'Re Tweet' in the context of that post. It's a common twitter abbreviation.

The link that Grany has given to Twitter is for Caroline Lucas response to Jo Swinson.

varian So what? It speaks the truth compared to our news/ media.

RT is a Russian international television network funded by the Russian government.

RT - is that Russia Today?

My appeal to
@JoSwinson
to reconsider her response to Corbyn's approach on stopping a disastrous No Deal #Brexit

twitter.com/SkyeCitySeries/status/1161977949010223104?s=20

RT
@liamyoung
: And so it was true: they never wanted to stop Brexit, they only wanted to stop Corbyn. LibDems show their true colours happy to support Tories and austerity but not stop a Johnson no deal disaster.

I think that the LibDems will vote in favour of a VoNC (ie against this brexit government). They will do nothing to enable a no deal brrexit as they are against any kind of brexit. They would prefere to support a temporary government led by someone other than Corbyn who had cross party support.

Personally, that would also be my preference, but I would be prepared to support a temporary govt led by Jeremy Corbyn on condition that he immediately Revoked Article 50 then called a General Election.

decide to Vote against or Abstain on the proposed VoNC we will know their true allegiance, and it wont be to the UK Electorate.
The LibDems will enable a No Deal Brexit.

Shoequeen53 Thu 15-Aug-19 11:56:08
Did any of us vote for Boris to be our PM? Same argument.
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No it is not the same argument.

Boris Johnson as with Gordon Brown in 2010 and other parties throughout history who when their respective Leader has changed did not hold a General Election.

They were voted in on their respective parties manifestos and if they cannot abide by their party and elect not to abide by or vote against their party from within and choose to leave/quit the party altogether then they, unlike new Leaders either in government or not, are in contempt of the voters in their constituency who voted for their party.

Shoequeen not the same argument Boris didn't jump to another party he was/is a Conservative MP.

In 2011 Remoaner Woolaston backed legislation to force a by election if an MP switches parties.
She's now changed parties TWICE with no "People' s vote" on Slippery Sarah in Totnes!
HYPROCRITE

Copied from twitter
LEAVE EU

The LibDems got about two and a half times as many votes as the SNP in 2017, although because of FPTP, about a third of the seats.

The Liberal Democrats are a national party, represented in all parts of the country except for Northern Ireland where LibDems support the non-sectarian Alliance Party.

Yes sorry the link does say at the end of the 2015-2017 Parl.

Your figures are wrong Fennel

12 LibDems were elected in 2017. One subsequently resigned. Two MPs from other parties joined and another was elected in the recent Brecon and Radnor by election so there are currently 14 LibDem MPs.

The Lib Dems have only 9 seats in the H of C acc. to the figures below. Apologies for the long link.
UKIP 1.
The party most capable of influencing the way things go is the Scottish Nationalist Party
"Composition of the House of Commons at the end of the 2015-17 Parliament

PartySeats
Conservative330
Labour229
Scottish National Party54
Liberal Democrat9
Democratic Unionist Party8
Independent4
Sinn Féin4
Plaid Cymru3
Social Democratic & Labour Party3
Ulster Unionist Party2
Green Party1
Speaker1
UK Independence Party1
Total number of seats 649"

I am surprised that an MP can change party. Surely her constituents voted for her old party and not just for the person.

Does it mean deselection next time? Presumably so. If I had voted for a specific party I would be miffed the MP changed mid session. (However I think she is right to support the LibDems)

54% is hardly a massive majority. What about the interests of the 46% - or more, if the trend towards Remain is replicated in Totnes?

Yes, eazybee, I do think Wollaston is an asset because she's a principled and hard-working MP, who's followed the Tory whip on most issues up to now, but we'll see.

I wouldn't mind betting that both Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston would be re-elected as LibDems in their own constituencies, but obviously I don't know for sure.

I expect Sarah Wollaston knew what kind of criticism she'd receive. I've been following her since she was elected, as she's one of only a handful of Tories I could vote for, if I had no other choice. I've been disappointed with the way she's voted at times (non Brexit related), but she is one of the few MPs who understands health and social care, because she was a GP, and has frequently made speeches about the need for more funding. For years, people have been asking why she was ever a Tory in the first place because she's never fitted in that well. People have said the same about Heidi Allen. I have time for both of them. Without the Tory whip, they'll be able to show what they're really about and I hope that both continue to be MPs after any snap election.

Did any of us vote for Boris to be our PM? Same argument.