Liberal Democrats

Opal don't know where you got that from - I simply reported numbers. Was that comment supposed to be addressed to varian?

Chestnut it's been a long time since the 2016 referendum, lots of dodgy dealings have been shown up, people would have a better-informed idea of what they would be voting for, and a lot of young people - who simple arithmetic tells us are going to be affected for much longer than any of us - would be able to vote this time around. So yes, I do think we should have another properly organised referendum with a minimum turnout and minimum winning margin - and I would be happy to abide by the result. In short, what JC is proposing.

So according to your logic humpty, everyone who didn't vote would have voted to remain! Complete and utter bull***t. Using those same figures, I could argue that 30,358,760 voters didn't vote to remain! As *Chestnut" says, people who don't vote don't count. In which case, the majority voted for Brexit. It was a democratic vote, Leave won, and if we are a true democracy, then we should abide by it. Why have another referendum when we haven't honoured the results of the first??? Or do you just want to keep on having referendums until you get the result you want???

And what would that solve if the result came back the same? I suppose you'd want another one!

Same old, same old chestnut - so let's have another referendum, it's been more than 3 years now, we have more elections! - now that's democracy!

You are implying that everyone who didn't vote leave would want to stay in the EU just because you say so. This is utter nonsense, you are just playing with figures and making them fit your own opinion.
People who don't vote, for whatever reason, do not count in the result. You will never know how they would vote or what they would want. Like everyone else in the UK they are obliged to abide by the results of a democratic voting system.

It is not just voters who matter. Everyone, including my grandchildren, matter and it is their future which is being threatened.

67 million people in the UK matter, not just 17 million leave voters.

Sorry, GN didn't like my initial formatting.

Let's just put these numbers straight:

46,500,001 people were eligible to vote of whom 33,551,983
voted (excluding spoilt papers)

leave voters
17,410,742 (51.89%)
remain voters
16,141,241 (48.11%)

which means that eligible voters who did not vote leave are
29,089,259

Let's just put these numbers straight:

46,500,001 people were eligible to vote of whom 33,551,983
voted (excluding spoilt papers)

leave voters
17,410,742 51.89%
remain voters
16,141,24148.11%

which means that eligible voters who did not vote leave are
29,089,259

Sarah Wooliston is my sister MP, and she says she can't wait to vote her out. She stood on a manifesto promise of taking us out of the EU then refused to vote for this. The south West is generally a leave area and MP's who made leaving as hard as possible will not get an easy ride in the upcoming election. My sister thinks she will not keep her seat.

I do not speak for everyone and have never claimed to ( in spite of typo in previous post) but I do believe that everyone matters, everyone, not just the 17m leave voters.

Varian - that is just your opinion! You don't speak for those who voted Leave or for those who didn't vote. So stop claiming that you do!

I do it claim to speak for everyone ( unlike the Tories who keep saying "Everyone just wants us to get brexit done").

What I know is true is that the leave vote has already damaged our country in many ways and unless we can stop brexit our future, the future of all 67m of us in the UK, will be irrevocably blighted by this folly .

Now Varian speaks for everyone in the country who didn't vote!
Get a grip. You have no idea what these people think or want.
You just keep repeating the same mantra over and over again which indicates a worrying obsession, especially as it seems to be popping up on every board on the forum, even threads not relating to politics.

Everyone who lives in this country, including my grandchildren and my German friend who has worked here and paid taxes here for most of her life, absolutely everyone, all 67m have already paid a heavy price for this brexit nonsense, and will suffer more if it is not stopped.

Everyone matters, not just those who were able to vote in the fraudulent referendum.

Everyone matters, and that includes 50m who never voted leave.

Simply because there are not 50m as my previous post! There are 67m in the country. If 50m had been able to vote the result would have been clear but you have included children, people who didn’t register, those who didn’t bother to vote and foreigners who cannot vote. I really cannot understand why you keep banging on about 50m, it’s quite ridiculous and frankly you are making it up as you go along.

I don't believe you can continue to ignore the 50m who never voted for this brexit nonsense. We have been ignored for too long.

Varian is clearly passionate about her party and good luck to her. I don’t however believe that you can ignore 17m just because they it suits which to the Lib Dem’s it does, yes, I agree many have passed away however don’t be naive, many have changed their mind from remain to leave or even vice versa.

I always like Michael Heseltine, I must admit, along with Ken Clarke I always thought they were Pm’s That we missed out upon with their many years of expertise.

Not what the polls have said for a very long time

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/?removed

I think you'll find most people don't want to stop Brexit. Let's just remind ourselves of the last national vote we had, the European Elections.

Apart from Scotland, most of England and Wales turned Brexit blue.

A pretty clear message that the country does not want to stop Brexit!

A few minutes watching this video could help everyone decide how to vote to stop brexit.

www.libdems.org.uk/brighter-future-video?utm_campaign=peb_vote_pledge_a&utm_medium=email&utm_source=libdems

We have learned much since 2016 and one of the things we have discovered was that referendum was fraudulent, won by lies cheating and foriegn interference.

The only reason that it has not been annulled is that it was merely advisory.

No one should respect the result of that fraudulent referendum.

Liberal UnDemocrats - their former leader Paddy Ashdown declared in 2016 that the referendum result must be honoured, whatever that result might be.
I have seen the interview and can confirm this.
How they have changed their tune!

There are plenty of people who would disagree with Michael Heseltine, it's just his opinion.

Michael Heseltine, a former Conservative deputy prime minister, has said he cannot support Boris Johnson in the general election because the prime minister is pursuing an “utterly disastrous” policy that will make Britain poorer and less influential.

Lord Heseltine has called on voters to back the Liberal Democrats in the general election to deny Johnson a majority in parliament. The Tory grandee was suspended from the party in May when he said he would support the Lib Dems in the European elections.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Tuesday: “The real issue is what is at stake and it is the prosperity of this country, the world influence of this country, our relationship with our neighbours in Europe. This is transcendingly the overarching issue at stake in this election and I cannot vote or support people who are going to make the country poorer or less influential – full stop, end of story.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/26/michael-heseltine-calls-on-voters-to-back-lib-dems