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varian Thu 15-Aug-19 08:14:17

Dr Sarah Woolaston MP has joined the Libera Democrats. Great news!

varian Tue 26-Nov-19 10:34:00

My numbers are perfectly correct.

The only people who seem to have been counted by the Tories and their supporters in the media for the last three and a half years have been the 17m leave voters, some of whom are no longer with us and some of whom have changed their minds.

Every single one of the 67m people who live in this country would be affected by brexit and so it is high time that the 50m+ who never voted leave had some consideration.

The idea that we should continue to pander to the leave voters because if they don't get their own way they will riot, is absolutely outrageous.

CoolioC Mon 25-Nov-19 22:55:42

Yes Varian, I understand what you think, but your numbers are completely incorrect. Therefore, I don’t really think that you can say about what is sensible and what is not. Leavers have their reasons and the majority like it or not voted out therefore I ask you again how can the Lib Dem’s cancel Brexit and ignore 17 million people and think there won’t be rioting on the Streets of the UK? Personally, I think Swinsons off her rocker.

varian Mon 25-Nov-19 10:36:33

Alastair Campbell is with fellow ex-Labour Party member Luciana Berger, campaigning for the Liberal Democrats.

"Fascinating few hours with @schooltruth out canvassing for @lucianaberger in Finchley and Golders Green. I know @UKLabour second last time but the anti-Semitism and general views re Corbyn mean she is the best placed pro @peoplesvote_uk candidate"

twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1198613073608814593?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

varian Mon 25-Nov-19 09:08:49

Everyone living in the UK, with the exception of a tiny number of billionaires and disaster capitalists, would be adversely affected if brexit is not stopped.

CoolioC Mon 25-Nov-19 08:00:48

Just a moment Varian. There are only 46 million voters eligible to vote in the UK. That would include the 17 million who did vote to leave therefore your figures are incorrect. There are indeed 67 nearly 68 million people living in the UK but not all eligible to vote ie children, foreign nationals etc. So, where do you get your figures from? Do you really think that the adverts in the side of the bus was what made people vote out? Are remain voters really that daft? Some people are able to think outside the box; a lot of people are unable to think outside the box these days, not their fault, fault of work places, screwing down people because of being sued. The older generation have lived with the ideals of having to think on their feet so let’s not call them.

varian Mon 25-Nov-19 01:03:05

The leave campaigners were proven to have lied. The lie on the bus was only one of many.

Chestnut Sun 24-Nov-19 23:07:50

The 'sensible majority'? Are those the millions who were fooled by the remain liars?
I would never normally post something so nasty, but you need a dose of your own medicine.

varian Sun 24-Nov-19 17:05:55

50 million people living in the UK never voted for this brexit nonsense and after three and a half year of the government ignoring us and pandering exclusively to the 17 million who were fooled by the leave liars, it is high time that the sensible majority were considered.

Chestnut Sun 24-Nov-19 16:59:39

Jura2 - that has made me laugh! Reality check, m'dear.

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 16:37:07

and do you think the millions- almost as many, who voted to Remain- + the millions more who did not vote and now realise it was a huge mistake - will roll over and accept the catastrophic consequences of No Deal? Just wondering if you are a bit naïve and taken in by the threats of Farage and Robinson.

CoolioC Sun 24-Nov-19 16:03:24

If by a slim chance LDems did reach No10 and cancelled Brexit, what do they think the 17m who supported it might do? Do they think they will roll over? Could we see riots similar to those in poll tax times?

Just wondering if they are a bit naive?

varian Sun 24-Nov-19 15:10:51

I quite understand * jura* that if you are voting in a constituency where the Labour Party is the only party able to defeat the Tories, you would vote Labour. I would ( reluctantly) do the same.

In our appallingly undemocratic FPTP electoral system, so many of us end up voting for the "lesser of two evils"

It should not be like that. If we had proportional representation, we could all vote positively for the party we like best, not negatively against the party we hate the most.

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 12:37:55

As many know, I have been massively annoyed and frustrated by JC's fence sitting. I joined the Lib Dems and was sure I would vote for them, but I have changed my mind. And for several reasons, none of which have to do with Jo's hairstyle or dress.

Now that JC has promised there would be a second Referendum- even if I do not believe he will be able to get a 'cake and eat it with unicorns' deal and it will be a waste of time- it is the best option as it shows willing to accept the results of the Referendum. I agree about his neutrality here.

But mainly, splitting the opposition to Johnson is likely to let them in again, and with a tiny or non working majority. A disaster. And I am NOT happy at all with Lib Dems readiness to work with him in this case.

I think Jo and the Lib Dems should realise now that they have NO chance- and will just split the vote. They should swallow pride and urgently seek to work with Labour to ensure Johnson is defeated.

Lastly, in my Constituency- voting tactically meant voting for Labour- and a Lib Dem vote would have been wasted. Never thought I'd vote Labour - but it is done and in the post in the morning.

SPLITTING THE VOTE AGAINST TORIES WITH OUR FPP SYSTEM - IS VERY DANGEROUS.

jura2 Sun 24-Nov-19 12:30:45

varian ''Which of these people do you think needs a makeover?'' - I attended a course over several weeks on how women are treated and portrayed by the Press, compared to men. Honestly, before I attended the course, I would have tended to say it is not important- but it is so blatant, and so widespread and the evidence so compelling.

Chestnut Sun 24-Nov-19 11:35:46

Men just wear a suit and rarely get comments, but women get analysed from top to bottom. If I were a politician I think I'd stick to a suit (various colours) and fairly bland shoes, then liven it up with a necklace.

winterwhite Sun 24-Nov-19 11:21:19

Wholly agreeing with Varian re Janet Street-Porter's spiteful piece about Jo Swinson in the 'i' yesterday. Have never heard her (J S-P) speak but think that JS is doing well at sounding less shrill and improving. Women are at a natural disadvantage re public speaking, think of Mrs Thatcher and her efforts at improvement!
Also thought the nasty comments re JS's clothes quite uncalled for. The dresses and heels give an effect, whether intended or not, of someone wanting to look dressed for work but not caring over much about clothes. What's wrong with that?

Chestnut Sun 24-Nov-19 10:45:39

Well, we will see whether that's true on 12th December. As I've said before, I take no notice of polls. It's the vote that counts.

varian Sun 24-Nov-19 10:41:25

The overwhelming evidence of polling over the last two and a half years is that the "will of the people" is to Remain in the EU.

Chestnut Sun 24-Nov-19 10:35:45

And they are the only party to ignore a democratic vote and the will of the people!

varian Sun 24-Nov-19 10:18:31

The broadcaster and former Newsnight presenter John Tusa has declared his support for the Lib Dems…

"I am British by citizenship, Czech by birth, European by culture, history and identity. The Lib Dems are the only party to believe in our continuing membership of the European Union. They are the only party not taken over by the extreme factions in national politics. They are the only non-sectarian party. They are the only party that puts the sovereignty of parliament at the heart of our representative democracy."

varian Sat 23-Nov-19 17:57:36

Janet Street Porter, Labour Party supporter and no oil painting herself, has told the readers of the "i" that Jo Swinson needs a makeover - new hairstyle, make-up and clothes - and (you will not believe this if you have ever listened to the fog horn cockney tones of Janet Street Porter) - a new voice!!!!

Which of these people do you think needs a makeover?

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 16:02:23

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Or M&S food!

Pantglas2 Fri 22-Nov-19 15:51:01

Bit like Frank Lampard’s Chelsea Urmstongran!

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 15:49:08

My cousin just made me laugh - he said ‘apparently they are not the "Lib Dems", but "Jo Swinson's Lib Dems"’
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Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 14:21:07

Poor Lib Dems. They’ve been trying so hard to talk up their leader, Jo Swinson, and made her the focal point of their election campaign.

According to polling analysis this week, though, the early signs are that the plan may have backfired. Apparently, the more voters see of Ms Swinson, the less they seem to like her.

Beth Rigby put this to her on Wednesday on Sky News and she did look taken aback. I felt a bit sorry for her actually.