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raising pension age

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Caledonai14 Sun 18-Aug-19 10:48:02

A think tank called the Centre for Social Justice, headed by Iain Duncan Smith, is proposing that the state pension age be raised to 70 by 2018 and 75 by 2034.

Five newspapers are reporting this but I can only find one which does not have the story behind a paywall so apologies to those GNers who dislike the Daily Mail as a source, but it is backed up in four other places and looks very much like a softening-up story so that we Waspis/Backto 60s will start to think we were the lucky ones confused.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367909/State-pension-age-raised-75-16-years-according-Ian-Duncan-Smiths-think-tank.html

suzied Tue 20-Aug-19 08:41:43

Higher taxation for the better off in countries such as Denmark pay for pensions and health care.

growstuff Tue 20-Aug-19 08:41:14

Whitewave, Most people in most European countries contribute more to their pensions throughout their working lives. They also pay for healthcare when they reach pension age. They don't pay more in countries such as Greece, which is one of the reasons Greece is in financial difficulties (apart from dodging taxes).

Charleygirl5 Tue 20-Aug-19 08:38:02

I am 75 now and have difficulty walking to the bus stop. I have been like that for the last 10 years so no way could I have been working in a physically and mentally demanding job five days a week.

Loobyloo12 Tue 20-Aug-19 08:37:17

Totally unrealistic to work into your 70s...ok if you are the fortunate fit but many by this time are showing signs of wear or who are ok to look after themselves and maybe other family members who are not so well. So if we lose our jobs in our late 60/70s we may have to rely on unemployment benefit. Just enough to keep body and soul together. What a heartless government typical of those who have no knowledge of the real world of work who live in their own privileged land of cloud cuckoo.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 20-Aug-19 08:23:50

I wonder how European countries manage to pay a better pension to their older folk? Presumably the same demographics.

GagaJo Tue 20-Aug-19 08:15:01

Shell out?. You mean, let us draw the pension we've paid for?

Jane10 Tue 20-Aug-19 08:13:34

The fact of the matter is that under current economic conditions the country ie us can't afford to shell out for 20+years after retirement and fork out for health and social care unless there is a huge increase in taxation/national insurance etc.
How else do people think earlier retirement can be funded?

Linda369 Tue 20-Aug-19 06:41:21

Those who are lucky enough to enjoy good health may wish to continue working and already do. Many jobs are hard on the body and do not lend to extended working. I think this is a diversion to try to stop us worrying about Brexit. What a mess we are in as a country now with a lot of wealthy Torys deciding to deny our ability to enjoy our later years.

Eloethan Tue 20-Aug-19 00:37:26

It is outrageous. Perhaps for the likes of IDS and the politicians above who can fall asleep at work without fear of reprimand, many employees have physically and mentally demanding jobs and little control over their workload and working conditions. Not everyone lives to a ripe old age and to extend working lives to 70 or 75 will mean that some people won't even reach retirement.

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 21:58:07

This

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 21:38:47

growstuff amen!

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 20:06:34

Many wives and children? Really? I don't think so.

Are you not aware that most newly arrived immigrants are young, fit and want to work? They're the ones paying taxes and NI towards current pensions. Without them, pensioners would be in an even worse situation.

What an ignorant post!

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 19:48:59

Seiko70 1) Reported. 2) Overt and unacceptable racism.

Seiko70 Mon 19-Aug-19 19:40:06

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Harris27 Mon 19-Aug-19 19:19:53

I’m a nursery teacher and 59:I couldn’t do this till 70 definitely not!

Hetty58 Mon 19-Aug-19 16:30:49

There are also years when you may not have been working but you received Child Benefit or Carer's Allowance. They count towards your pension too (Thank Heavens).

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 15:28:44

Oh, my mistake. I thought you'd been/are a teacher, in which case you would probably have paid into the Teachers' Pension scheme.

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 15:22:01

No teachers pension. Just state pension.

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 14:27:54

You need 35 years of paying NI without any contribution to an occupational pension.

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 14:26:36

If you've been working in state schools and paying into the Teachers' Pension scheme, you possibly don't have enough for a full pension, so those years will count.

I will have a total of 47 years of contributions, but I still won't be eligible for a full state pension because I paid into an occupational pension scheme. Therefore, I still pay NI contributions which boost my future payments.

If you haven't already done so, check your pension entitlement with Government Gateway.

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 14:17:40

growstuff, because I already had enough contributions for a full pension. And to be honest, I don't think I'll be around much after 67, if I make it that far.

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 14:11:20

How do you work out that you wasted your money? Every full year of NI contributions is worth something over £4 a week.

Jane10 Mon 19-Aug-19 14:04:40

I feel the same GagaJo!
At least we don't live in South Africa though. My opposite number Gran lives there. She contributed to the pension scheme and finally reached the right age to claim it. It wasn't much after all the years the equivalent of about £100 a month. When she went along with the forms to claim it she was just turned away and told that as she had a house she had no right to claim a pension. There's no appeal. Just nothing.
Our governments may not be terrific but at least things aren't like that here.

GagaJo Mon 19-Aug-19 13:11:59

I continued to pay NI voluntarily while living overseas to protect my pension, despite there being no legal requirement to do so. I wasted my money.

Without wanting to be overly pessimistic or too much of a drama queen, a big part of me is glad I'm getting on in age. Pensions, right wing governments, climate change, losing access to health care and education. The world is sliding towards destruction and no one seems able to stop it. At least I'll only have a few more years to endure it.

growstuff Mon 19-Aug-19 13:02:19

I agree with most of what you've written, Gagajo. Unfortunately, I just don't trust Corbyn to keep his promises. In any case, he hasn't ruled out increases in taxes and NI to fund a pension age status quo.

For the record, I wouldn't want to increase the state pension age by much (if at all), but I do think people are going to have to contribute more.

Some people point to the higher pensions in countries like Germany, but I wonder if they're aware how much Germans contribute to their pensions.