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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 10:14:29

Proof of what Annie? That he spent a fair bit of time with his chum Epstein and co. ? I think we know this to be the case.

Surely only a court could establish whether airmiles was in on it too.

I agree that trial by media is neither right nor fair, but neither is potentially getting away with a serious crime because of who you are.

Smileless2012 Wed 28-Aug-19 09:33:53

I agree that it needs to be thoroughly investigated and if there's sufficient evidence he should go to trial.

I don't agree with the woman making as far as I'm aware, vague accusations and anyone being tried by media. If she has specific accusations to make she should do so to the relevant authorities and not make vague ones to the world's press.

annep1 Wed 28-Aug-19 09:24:39

Yes sorry. Back to Andy. Needs to be investigated.

Anniebach Wed 28-Aug-19 08:34:39

Is there proof ?

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 08:22:08

I certainly think he has a few questions to answer . Should be interesting . Of course mummy might still pull a few strings yet. Maybe a call to Mr T asking him to “leave it” in return for a stay in a castle hmm

Peonyrose Wed 28-Aug-19 07:54:41

I thought this thread was about Andy, not travel?
I think he should stand trial.

gillybob Wed 28-Aug-19 07:33:38

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7400475/Driving-away-troubles-Prince-Andrews-relaxed-golf-round-unwinds-away-Epstein-drama.html

Are things beginning to unravel for “air miles” ?

suziewoozie Wed 28-Aug-19 07:12:57

Oops

crystaltipps Wed 28-Aug-19 07:11:33

Is this a thread about costs of days out?

suziewoozie Wed 28-Aug-19 07:10:48

Sue hence my suggestion - it’s obvious there couldn’t be a regular service but occasional one offs could help.

annep1 Wed 28-Aug-19 06:38:44

Just looked at NT properties I have visited in Kent. They generally give public transport directions. The problem seems to be the long walk after this and maybe the trust could help at this point- perhaps a volunteer with one of those buggy things that they have.
We should have had a separate thread for this.
Looked at Hever Castle incidentally (not NT). Very expensive and directions for taxi from train station!

SueDonim Wed 28-Aug-19 00:43:38

What are these buses to do when they are not ferrying people to & from NT properties? The local town buses where my mum lives don't run in the afternoons because that's when they're picking up school children to take them home.

No one can afford to have buses sitting idle.

annep1 Tue 27-Aug-19 23:27:25

They're often quite empty! excuse errors.

annep1 Tue 27-Aug-19 23:26:19

Possibly Suzie. You may have a point in that they could publicise information a lot more. It does same a shame that a large section of the population are excluded from enjoying these lovely places. Theyre often quitecempty. I myself am a member and didn't know you can pay by DD. It seems unfair that only pensioners get concessionary membership. I think I might write to the trust.
Your idea of a bus trial during summer holidays is a good idea. Maybe on a Saturday.

suziewoozie Tue 27-Aug-19 21:25:07

annepl I agree that the logistics of arranging transport are impossible as a regular service. However, if the NT were to commit to encouraging a wider range of members, as well as publicising its monthly dd and picnic areas etc, maybe during the school holidays, some properties could trial putting on a bus service one day a week, using local media etc to publicise it and see how it goes. The bus could run from the nearest rail station for example

Lessismore Tue 27-Aug-19 17:58:46

OK here, is an example, the property I refer to did put on small buses from a local depot. The service was withdrawn unfortunately.

Lessismore Tue 27-Aug-19 17:57:26

Well, yes, they have been trialed.

Gonegirl Tue 27-Aug-19 16:35:03

Unless by "innovative and green" *lessismore" means something along the lines of electric tandem/triple bikes. Or rickshaws.

Gonegirl Tue 27-Aug-19 16:33:26

Well, yes. It would. Pity there's not a better regular bus service to these places anymore. But that's not their fault.

annep1 Tue 27-Aug-19 16:25:37

I think it would be very difficult to organise transport. Thats just my opinion.

Gonegirl Tue 27-Aug-19 16:21:30

Interesting Suedonim. (about Scottish NT)

We had membership for several years, but DH's interest petered out and I don't drive.

Lessismore Tue 27-Aug-19 15:26:49

I'm not sure if you have any concept of the amount of money they make and the fact that what they are offering is way, way out of reach for many.
I don't see why they couldn't consider some innovative and Green transport so that families of all budgets could enjoy.

annep1 Tue 27-Aug-19 15:11:33

I don't think its fair to expect the NT to arrange transport.
But they do have concessions for pensioners so maybe extend this to low income etc.
I bought my daughter family membership as a Christmas present.
I agree one off charges are high.

SueDonim Tue 27-Aug-19 11:54:55

On the topic of National Trust membership, it's cheaper to join the National Trust for Scotland! You get access to all English/Welsh NT properties, and NT properties worldwide.

This are the current membership costs.
National Trust:
Two adult family £126pa. One adult family £76pa.
Direct debit available at same cost.

National Trust for Scotland:
Two adult family £108pa. One adult family £72.
Direst debit available at same cost.

www.nts.org.uk/join

suziewoozie Tue 27-Aug-19 11:14:44

Just looked on NT website. You can pay monthly by dd and there is no extra charge involved. Perhaps the they should advertise that more and also make clear there are picnic areas etc co it’s a bargain day out. My dd also uses NT properties for a break on long car journeys is f there’s one near enough the route.