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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 19:02:32

Agree gillybob.

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 18:59:32

gilly the Queen doesn’t sell admittance tickets, the country owns the property the money taken doesn’t go into her pocket . You can afford to book a room or two ?

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 18:57:40

I'm not clear on the point you're making Anniebach about renting.

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 18:52:56

Not just to wander ......

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 18:52:39

I meant “pre book” a room or two or a few suites for a function etc. But just to wander in through the door as we please Annie ! Also Why do they charge the UK public ( who apparently own it) to look round a few rooms?

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 18:48:28

annep, you don’t mind if someone owns three houses if their family have earned them. Do many own three properties and not rent them out ?

gilly you see no problem with the public walking around bedrooms, offices where staff are working ?

gillybob Mon 26-Aug-19 18:37:53

If the nation owns BuckHouse why can’t we all use it? Why do people pay to look around a few rooms? confused

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 18:26:12

Are we all completely relaxed about Chequers, Dorneywood, Chevening House, Burnham etc and all the other grace and favour homes enjoyed by our politicians?
If so I don't think we should begrudge our Head of State the use of state residences where she can entertain other heads of state, dignitaries and members of the public.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 18:21:15

We'll have to agree to differ.

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 18:08:44

So William the Conqueror is to blame

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 17:59:57

It's fine by me.
They're not costing us anything then !

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 17:57:08

They bought Sandringham and Balmoral, gave away Osbourne House to the nation.

The nation owns leaky Buckingham Palace (used as offices of state, not a home as such).
Windsor Castle belongs to the state but the public was outraged at the thought of paying for repairs after the fire.

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 17:49:15

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

Scroll down to history. No one can think this is right

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 17:44:13

I've no objection to people owning a second or third home at all if they or their families have earned it.. But I do object to the RF having anything provided by us and all their privileges.

Callistemon Mon 26-Aug-19 17:20:24

I take it you don't agree with anyone owning second homes annep?
Or houses larger than their needs?
I am thinking some Gransnetters who have second homes could be a tad indignant if they were taken off them and given to the state.

Jabberwok Mon 26-Aug-19 15:18:32

Top marks for Edward V11th for parting with Osbourne House! All that lovely seaside given away at the stroke of a pen!!

GrannyGravy13 Mon 26-Aug-19 15:01:54

Anniebach I certainly wouldn’t!!

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 14:03:38

Wonder how many would give away a property they inherited

Jabberwok Mon 26-Aug-19 13:47:19

And King William 1Vth whom she succeeded.

Jabberwok Mon 26-Aug-19 13:46:25

Prince Albert actually bought Balmoral for Queen Victoria, Edward V11th bought Sandringham, both properties now belong to HM through inheritance. Osbourne house was designed by Prince Albert as a holiday retreat for the RF, but after Victoria's death it was gifted to the nation. The RF have got their money down the ages through inheritance, land and the collection of fine art, even a whole county!! (money attracts money!!) Queen Victoria would have inherited her position and finances through both her parents,as they all do!

Anniebach Mon 26-Aug-19 13:41:38

He must have been staying at Balmoral if he was wearing a kilt, who witnessed this ?

Jabberwok Mon 26-Aug-19 13:27:21

I'm afraid Mountbatten engineered the meeting between his nephew and the very young P.E, who, as predicted,fell very much in love with him. The king and Queen hoped it would be a passing phase but Mountbatten persisted and encouraged his nephew so the affair intensified. The king and Queen considered P.P a bit of a 'lad' and quite unsuitable for their much loved daughter, but she was so insistent that sooner than break her heart they reluctantly gave their permission . (P.P once,while wearing a kilt, curtseyed to the King on greeting him at breakfast!!!!The king was not amused!)

annep1 Mon 26-Aug-19 13:01:08

I don't know what could be done with the Royal residences, but there's got to be something better.
Agree with posters re arrogance etc.

But it's a lovely hot sunny day here in N Ireland. Getting ready for art class. Time to stop depressing myself. Hope you are getting some sun too Anniebach . ?

Beckett Mon 26-Aug-19 12:52:14

He obviously was aware that young girls were around, why did he not at the very least sever ties with Epstein or even confront the pervert, bearing in mind Epstein's previous conviction.

I don't think Andrew's taste is for very young girls but he should be open about what he saw instead of thinking he can pull the wool over peoples eyes with his statements about not being aware. As I said before, he is not the brightest of people but even he must have suspected something was wrong.

Gonegirl Mon 26-Aug-19 12:32:03

I bet he gets away with it.