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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 22:31:33

You didn’t go off on a different tangent Bridgeit we are discussing Andrew and the allegations made against him. You
then brought up his parents who met at a young age .

Bridgeit Sat 24-Aug-19 22:15:57

Sorry Suziewoozie,
One wonders how many cover ups there are of wealthy powerful men indulging in despicable behaviours with girls whom they surely must know are not old enough or in a position to realise what they are being coerced into.
My apologies for going off on a different tangent.

Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 21:56:36

Did you suzie, I thought we were discussing the thread title

suziewoozie Sat 24-Aug-19 21:53:23

I thought we were discussing JE annie

Bridgeit Sat 24-Aug-19 21:07:11

They have encountered many of the familiar family problems as the rest of us.

Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 20:56:49

How nasty , arranged marriages were not grooming .

Callistemon Sat 24-Aug-19 20:55:27

Well, you can't say it didn't last grin 72 years later
How many can say that?

"He doesn't take easily to compliments but he has, quite simply, been my strength and stay all these years"
HM Queen Elizabeth II
22 years ago.

Bridgeit Sat 24-Aug-19 20:53:54

And enduring love.

Bridgeit Sat 24-Aug-19 20:51:57

Perhaps not grooming, but forward planning.

Lessismore Sat 24-Aug-19 20:51:05

Charles and Diana??

paddyann Sat 24-Aug-19 20:44:57

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Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 20:35:39

Completely different, they were related and when they were introduced she was accompany her parents on an official visit
st the Royal Naval College. Their marriage was surely already
arranged .

Callistemon Sat 24-Aug-19 20:33:32

He was 18 and a naval cadet in uniform.

Callistemon Sat 24-Aug-19 20:32:31

13 I think, but I think it was she who fell for him. He was merely delegated to show the Princesses around Dartmouth College and probably being charming as he carried out his duties.

Bridgeit Sat 24-Aug-19 20:20:59

Didn’t Prince Philip show interest in the then Princess Elizabeth when she was 14? ( and he 19) ?

Lessismore Sat 24-Aug-19 20:14:01

I don't think a girl of 17 can be classed as a child. They will have known very well what they were doing, and were probably well-paid for their services. Image living the high life, having sex with an English prince...I bet the girls were fighting to be first in line

Can't believe this is still here.

Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 19:53:54

Yes suzie , but I was not speaking of Epstein, when I referred to many making claims I meant those who suddenly sell alleged information to the press.

suziewoozie Sat 24-Aug-19 19:34:04

And maybe ‘it won’t go away’ because rich men shouldn’t be able to exploit women and girls and it all be brushed under the carpet - or maybe you think it should?

suziewoozie Sat 24-Aug-19 19:32:04

And annie there will be those making claims who were exploited and damaged by the convicted, registered sex offender and his merry band of perverts. I hope his brother never sees a penny

jacq10 Sat 24-Aug-19 18:13:30

Just had a passing thought that maybe the Queen herself logs on to Gransnet especially when relaxing at Balmoral!!

GrannyGravy13 Sat 24-Aug-19 18:04:39

The later years of The Crown on Netflix should be interesting ???

Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 17:51:17

Epstein was imprisoned in 2008, he kept contact with him
after this.

There will be many making claims to make money so it is not going away.

Callistemon Sat 24-Aug-19 17:41:55

It gets worse.
'When in a hole, don't keep digging' as the saying goes.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Aug-19 17:41:04

Anyone gullible enough to believe that?

Anniebach Sat 24-Aug-19 17:37:42

He has made another statement,

He didn’t see, witness or suspect any behaviour that led to
Epstein’s conviction.