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Will the Tory party survive this crises?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 12:20:53

So all leavers. Assuming all the other political parties are supporting another referendum or remain,

Will you vote for a new type of hard right Tory party which will be culmination of the extreme hard right ambition or stay loyal to and send a message to the moderate Tory party in the new independent MPs.

Lessismore Tue 03-Sept-19 16:12:46

Got it now.

Lessismore Tue 03-Sept-19 16:11:21

sorry, where can I see this please?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 16:09:33

Jonathan Lis

Anyway Ken Clarke delivers the coup de grace. Dismisses Johnson’s ‘knockabout’ performance and correctly identifies that the PM is dragging us to the cliff-edge. Johnson bumbles and yammers even more than usual in his response and offers nothing. He is defeated and he knows it.

lemongrove Tue 03-Sept-19 16:08:50

Ken Clarke is an excellent ranter, he never knows when to sit down.

lemongrove Tue 03-Sept-19 16:07:50

A government can still continue without a majority, although if they want to pass bills which are ‘difficult’ ones, they won’t be passed.
A GE could be on the cards now, and I think the Conservatives would definitely win it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 16:06:12

Dear oh dear the Tories must be getting more desperate by the minute

mostlyharmless Tue 03-Sept-19 16:05:22

Snap WW!

mostlyharmless Tue 03-Sept-19 16:04:37

Ken Clarke openly attacking Johnson now! Wow!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 16:04:30

Ken Clarke laying it on -blimey!

lemongrove Tue 03-Sept-19 16:03:49

‘Corbyn impressive’ ......you have to be joking! Corbyn is never impressive in any way.
If Labour had a decent leader they would win a GE hands down, but as it is, no way.

mostlyharmless Tue 03-Sept-19 16:03:12

Corbyn is now able to play to his strengths. His speeches are noticeably stronger and more animated during this crisis.
Johnson looks shaken.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 16:03:11

The Prime minister is now without a mandate or a majority.

He sounds about 19 still at university, that is the level of his debate. it is embarrassing

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:59:17

This is why Johnson is losing it

Jonathan Lis

Corbyn doing a good job. ‘This government is hiding from scrutiny. Not just a gov of chaos but a gov of cowardice’.

Johnson sounds like he’s debating at the Oxford Union. Corbyn sounds like he’s speaking to ordinary people at home. Wonder if Tories have underestimated him?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:56:56

Johnson isn’t up to it is he?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:55:35

harmless couldn’t have done it better?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:55:02

Corbyn impressive

mostlyharmless Tue 03-Sept-19 15:54:33

That was a humiliatingly public way for Johnson to lose his majority WW!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:53:34

Tory front bench looking very uncomfortable

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:49:04

I see May is sitting next to Ken Clarke

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:47:22

Johnson continues to babble away -mostly rubbish

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:45:34

Tories have LOST THEIR MAJORITY!!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 03-Sept-19 15:41:56

Blimey a Tory has just walked across the chamber and sat with the Libs

Shoequeen53 Tue 03-Sept-19 14:48:00

Djanogly is my MP. I’d have so much respect for him if he did the right thing today.

Shoequeen53 Tue 03-Sept-19 14:46:32

The thought of all Conservative associations disobeying Johnson and Cummings and refusing to deselect their MPs fills me with unalloyed joy. Apparently they’re planning to foist a hardline Brexiteer on Greening’s remain constituency, that’ll be a new seat for the Libdems then.

GillT57 Tue 03-Sept-19 12:53:50

I think you can possible add Sajid Javed to that list too. He has been very badly treated by Cummings, emasculated by Johnson who did not even have the courtesy to consult, let alone advise about the sacking of his special advisor, and must surely also be smarting about the grievous insult of his non invitation to the Trump visit banquet. It is time he put his self respect before his wobbly career, and stood up for himself.