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Second referendum or general election?

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kittylester Fri 06-Sept-19 09:44:06

I thi k we need a people's vote now we know what leaving the EU actually means.

growstuff Fri 06-Sept-19 09:43:18

No, we wouldn't be debating as we are because the status quo would have been maintained. Nevertheless, Farage would still be doing the rounds, stirring up anti-EU feeling and there would still be plenty of criticism of the EU. Think back to how it was before the decision to hold a referendum.

Big differences would be that billions of pounds wouldn't have been wasted on preparations, the pound wouldn't have tanked, a handful of people wouldn't be super rich from currency speculating, businesses would have been able to plan for the future, people wouldn't be scared about their future, we wouldn't have lost funding for science and pharma research, the EMA wouldn't have been relocated from London, etc etc.

Maybe (hopefully) government could have concentrated on improving conditions for ordinary people and sensible politicians could even have tried to improve some of the flaws in the EU.

growstuff Fri 06-Sept-19 09:36:59

I don't believe there should be a GE before the issue of Brexit is done and dusted. As others have said, Brexit would dominate it, but it would then give legitimacy to anything else (tax cuts increases, health, education, defence spending, pensions, etc etc) over the next five years.

I have no doubt that a GE will be inevitable over the next few months because the government doesn't have a majority, but it shouldn't be held on a solely Brexit agenda.

We need a proper, honest, well informed, advisory referendum (possibly in two stages) to find out what the public really wants in 2019.

NanaandGrampy Fri 06-Sept-19 09:31:09

What's the point?

We already voted once and because it didn't go the way many wanted here we are , years down the line with democracy in disarray .

If it had gone the other way and we had voted to remain do you honestly think we would still be debating this ?

I have lost total faith in the whole political system.

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 09:26:21

I agree with kittylester. There are too many other serious issues to be considered in a GE which, I think would just be sidelined by the Brexit issue.

I hear the argument about 'the last result should be implemented before we had another ref' and think it quite a valid one, but, if remain/rejoin won, leaving and then rejoining would cause us to lose the advantageous concessions we now have. Which would, I think, upset Leavers even further.

MrsEggy Fri 06-Sept-19 09:15:43

We did enact it - that's why we're in the EU!

lemongrove Fri 06-Sept-19 09:14:28

What Urmstongran says.??

Urmstongran Fri 06-Sept-19 09:11:49

I don’t mind the idea of another referendum.... once we’ve enacted the outcome of the first one we had.
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kittylester Fri 06-Sept-19 09:09:30

Shouldn't we have a second (or 3rd!) referendum before we have a GE so the GE is about policies rather than overshadowed by Brexit?