Yes, another one - but different

He is using YouGov figures but the results sound odd. I would like to see these figures replicated in other surveys before I believed them. Polls are based on probability statistics. I am not sure what standards of variability they use, but if 95% are accurate within a small margin, there is still the 5% of results that will be way out

His comment that there are more leavers in the south is because more people lin the South East live in rural areas and villages, where as there are more urban dwellers in the north is just plain daft.

I live in a village in the south east. Our village like every other village I know south of Birmingham is populated almost entirely by people who commute to work each day to large towns, London, local Science Parks, universities etc etc and work in high tech industries, universities, fanance and government. The idea that southern villages are populated by straw chewing country yokels who all vote leave is bizarre. Has he seen the prices of houses in the average southern village?

I don't fit the profile for age or where I live, only education!

I agree with Monica on this, very suspect.

It was supposed to amuse rather than become a serious thing. Sorry I don't seem to be so good at amusing!

Sorry, Nonnie, I used to be a Market Research Manager and specialised in questionnaire design, so I am a bit of a nerd when it comes to surveys and their results.

This poll popped up on my feed. It suggests that the majority of Conservative and Leave voters think that "no deal" means a clean break from the EU, which the country could then forget about and focus on something else.

I don't have much faith in polls, but this one seems unbelievable, surely.

But the overall result shows that the majority of people believe that Brexit is not the end of it. 52% believe that, compared with only 31% believing that it will be done and dusted.

A very large majority of Labour and Remain voters believe that Brexit is only the start.

Actually, compared with the poll we started with, this seems entirely reasonable.

No growstuff, unfortunately that yougov poll is far from unbelievable.

If you read the Daily Mail, Sun, Telegraph or Daily Express as many of these leave voters and Conservative voters do, you will have been brainwashed over and over again that "just get on and do brexit" means it will be over and done with.

The truth is that it would only be the beginning of a very bleak future beset with wrangles over trade agreements, national decline and blame.

However it is not in the interests of the billionaire proprietors of these newspapers to spell that out.

The good news is that if we Remain in the EU, these charlatans will be hit by tax bills as of 1st January 2020. So lets just stand up to these billionaire elites and do that. Revoke Article 50. When the general election comes vote Liberal Democrat.

Is it any wonder that people think Brexit will be a "clean break" when this is on our screens so often, claiming that it will be a "clean break"? twitter.com/i/status/1171130823103451136

I hate him so much for being such a liar and conning people for his own personal gain.

Seems like you are all taking it seriously so I will join in.

Since 2016 I have seen people on TV not understanding that we didn't leave the day after the vote. Now people seem to believe that the way to stop all the chaos is to just leave but the only way to stop it all is to remain in the EU as the best deal is the one we have.

I do hope that come the next vote, GE or referendum, the remain campaigners will tell people what they lose from leaving rather than just defending themselves against leavers

It would have been a good idea if we had left the day after the referendum. Walked out, no deal. The succeeding financial and economic chaos would have meant we would rapidly have been back in again.

In retrospect Monica you may be right but of course we would have had to beg to go back in and lose all the special benefits we currently have. Probably have to join the Euro, Shengen etc although I don't know what the requirement to join currenly is.

I suspect if we had been quick in and out, we could have got back on the same terms, resumed our membership rather than re-applying. Chastened certainly and less important in deciding the future organisation of the EU, but like any child throwing a tantrum, there will always be consequences.

I do hope that come the next vote, GE or referendum, the remain campaigners will tell people what they lose from leaving rather than just defending themselves against leavers
I agree.

The last campaign by Remain was weak and pathetic and was not helped by the vague statements made by Osborne that every family would be £4200 worse off, a figure that he was unable to qualify as to what size of family, what income group, over what period. There was too much politeness, too much parliamentary protocol, next time we need remain supporters to tell it like it will be, to give concrete examples, to tell people that although they will likely be worse off, that many members of the Brexit supporters group, many MPs, people like Tim whatsisname of Wetherspoons, will not only be very much better off, they will be able to tuck it away without having to disclose the existence of their offshore accounts. If, after all this, people are still stupid gullible enough to vote for leave, then so be it, we will get the government and the future that we deserve and this country will never recover.

Nonnie has posted "I do hope that come the next vote, GE or referendum, the remain campaigners will tell people what they lose from leaving rather than just defending themselves against leavers"

The problem is that the messages which these leave voters have had from the right wing media for many years tell them that any warnings from experts or even the governmemnt's own analysis is "fake news" or scaremongering.

Andrea Leadsome has defended the government's refusal to publish the Yellowhammer documents on the grounds that "it would scare people".

She also repeated the lie that Yellowhammer dealt with a "worst case scenario" when the truth is that Yellowhammer describes a "most likely scenario"

The only conclusion we can reach is that this government relies on ignorant, uniformed voters to support its position.

Surely the only legitimate democracy is based on the views of citizens who have been properly informned?

GillT57 Wed 11-Sep-19 16:41:51 you are so right! I don't think they had any way to counter the Cummings brigade, it was all too far outside their experience.

varian "The only conclusion we can reach is that this government relies on ignorant, uniformed voters to support its position.

Surely the only legitimate democracy is based on the views of citizens who have been properly informned?"

Yes, and it has worked! I have written to the LibDems on this subject but why should they listen to me as I'm not a party member?